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Post by Pacifico on Nov 23, 2024 8:24:34 GMT
Currently the UK has 3.2m on sickness benefit, up 1m in just five years.
Yesterday, the DWP said we're on course to hit 4m... in four years.
So are ever more generous welfare payments affordable given the lack of growth in the economy and possible stagflation after the budget?. Countries across Europe are struggling with similar problems so perhaps the all-encompassing welfare state was simply a post-war glitch and normal service will be resumed where people have to work to support themselves and their families - as was the norm thoughout history.
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 8:59:22 GMT
As predicted by many, the whole edifice folds in like a bad flan because the generous welfarism attacks the values and attitudes that make the flan work
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 23, 2024 9:05:46 GMT
Currently the UK has 3.2m on sickness benefit, up 1m in just five years. Yesterday, the DWP said we're on course to hit 4m... in four years. So are ever more generous welfare payments affordable given the lack of growth in the economy and possible stagflation after the budget?. Countries across Europe are struggling with similar problems so perhaps the all-encompassing welfare state was simply a post-war glitch and normal service will be resumed where people have to work to support themselves and their families - as was the norm thoughout history. while there certainly is a urgent need to drive people to work ;.the Elephant in the room is state pension this is a old report from 2021 this is the reason i belief state pension should be means tested The UK government's pension liabilities have risen 22 per cent in three years, raising questions about the sustainability of public pension schemes. Article continues after advert According to figures from the Office for National Statistics, published yesterday (February 8), the government’s pension liabilities had surged by 22 per cent between 2015 and 2018, to £6.4tn. State pension liabilities amounted to £4.8tn, or 224 per cent of gross domestic product .https://www.ftadviser.com/pensions/2021/02/09/uk-govt-pension-liabilities-surge-1-3trn-in-3-years/
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 9:26:35 GMT
Currently the UK has 3.2m on sickness benefit, up 1m in just five years. Yesterday, the DWP said we're on course to hit 4m... in four years. So are ever more generous welfare payments affordable given the lack of growth in the economy and possible stagflation after the budget?. Countries across Europe are struggling with similar problems so perhaps the all-encompassing welfare state was simply a post-war glitch and normal service will be resumed where people have to work to support themselves and their families - as was the norm thoughout history. The UK government's pension liabilities have risen 22 per cent in three years, raising questions about the sustainability of public pension schemes. As I predicted - people were told they were paying towards pensions that would look after them when they were elderly, but they were not. It's a similar story will all government services now. The flan folds
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Post by Handyman on Nov 23, 2024 9:33:20 GMT
Currently the UK has 3.2m on sickness benefit, up 1m in just five years. Yesterday, the DWP said we're on course to hit 4m... in four years. So are ever more generous welfare payments affordable given the lack of growth in the economy and possible stagflation after the budget?. Countries across Europe are struggling with similar problems so perhaps the all-encompassing welfare state was simply a post-war glitch and normal service will be resumed where people have to work to support themselves and their families - as was the norm thoughout history. I support the Welfare System to look after those who are genuinely born with physical or mental issues or very ill or injured to work, but those who are fit and well should only be supported for a short time if out of work, here in Southern Ireland if you cannot find work you will be given some financial support from the Government ( public purse) but in return you have to carry out work within your community. You will be tasked with clearing up litter, cutting hedges , mowing grass verges, tidy up the local graveyard , maintaining public arears, repairing walls , clearing roadside drains etc on a regular basis 5 days a week IMO that is how it should be
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 23, 2024 9:44:24 GMT
Currently the UK has 3.2m on sickness benefit, up 1m in just five years. Yesterday, the DWP said we're on course to hit 4m... in four years. So are ever more generous welfare payments affordable given the lack of growth in the economy and possible stagflation after the budget?. Countries across Europe are struggling with similar problems so perhaps the all-encompassing welfare state was simply a post-war glitch and normal service will be resumed where people have to work to support themselves and their families - as was the norm thoughout history. I support the Welfare System to look after those who are genuinely born with physical or mental issues or very ill or injured to work, but those who are fit and well should only be supported for a short time if out of work, here in Southern Ireland if you cannot find work you will be given some financial support from the Government ( public purse) but in return you have to carry out work within your community. You will be tasked with clearing up litter, cutting hedges , mowing grass verges, tidy up the local graveyard , maintaining public arears, repairing walls , clearing roadside drains etc on a regular basis 5 days a week IMO that is how it should be what cheap labour exercise how dose that get people of the dole
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Post by ginnyg2 on Nov 23, 2024 10:15:57 GMT
An effort should be made to certify whether all the people on sickness benefit are really unable to work. Unfortunately by the time Labour have finished ruining the economy there will not be any jobs for them to apply for.
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 23, 2024 10:17:42 GMT
The answer I read most often is 'you can't have both a Welfare State and open borders'. Eager welfare recipients tend to turn up in sufficient numbers to enjoy the fruits of a system they haven't paid into, while those who have spent decades paying in, get a little narked when they can't see a Doctor or a Dentist or their kid is put in a class of 75, forty percent of whom can barely speak English, and you have to dodge the sharpened knives as best you can in the playground, before heading back to the classroom for another lesson on the subject of White Guilt and why huge reparations payments need to start immediately.
You can have a creaking Welfare State for a few more years, but the poor sods who mostly have and do pay for it, are seeing what money they had drain away rather quickly to finance wars, climate change, and foreign aid .... to the extend they can now barely pay their electricity bills.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 23, 2024 10:34:02 GMT
An effort should be made to certify whether all the people on sickness benefit are really unable to work. Unfortunately by the time Labour have finished ruining the economy there will not be any jobs for them to apply for. A very strong possibility
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 23, 2024 11:08:49 GMT
The French blame our generous welfare state for attracting illegals and I have to say it's not often I agree with the French, but on this occasion they are quite obviously right.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 23, 2024 11:21:16 GMT
Currently the UK has 3.2m on sickness benefit, up 1m in just five years. Yesterday, the DWP said we're on course to hit 4m... in four years. So are ever more generous welfare payments affordable given the lack of growth in the economy and possible stagflation after the budget?. Countries across Europe are struggling with similar problems so perhaps the all-encompassing welfare state was simply a post-war glitch and normal service will be resumed where people have to work to support themselves and their families - as was the norm thoughout history. I'd say based on experience among my staff that its more about waiting lists than laziness. That said, yes we do seem to have a generation of anxious unconfident people across the globe. Studies hint its about lack of hope for any future. In the UK, the lack of hope is, getting promotion, owning a home, climbing the ladder. The welfare state was around when I started work in 1976 but the attitude to work and life was very different.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 23, 2024 11:27:17 GMT
The UK government's pension liabilities have risen 22 per cent in three years, raising questions about the sustainability of public pension schemes. As I predicted - people were told they were paying towards pensions that would look after them when they were elderly, but they were not. It's a similar story will all government services now. The flan folds Yeah they lied. The cost of keeping ever more of them alive sucked up all the National Insurance they paid and left nothing for state pensions. But no government was brave enough to tell them the health care was getting better and more expensive. So now we have the young using their tax to pay the pensions of the retired, and the young peoples pensions added to businesses bills. Thank god for all those young immigrants eh?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 23, 2024 11:33:44 GMT
The answer I read most often is 'you can't have both a Welfare State and open borders'. Eager welfare recipients tend to turn up in sufficient numbers to enjoy the fruits of a system they haven't paid into, while those who have spent decades paying in, get a little narked when they can't see a Doctor or a Dentist or their kid is put in a class of 75, forty percent of whom can barely speak English, and you have to dodge the sharpened knives as best you can in the playground, before heading back to the classroom for another lesson on the subject of White Guilt and why huge reparations payments need to start immediately. You can have a creaking Welfare State for a few more years, but the poor sods who mostly have and do pay for it, are seeing what money they had drain away rather quickly to finance wars, climate change, and foreign aid .... to the extend they can now barely pay their electricity bills. Kind of correct. Its quite possible to deny services to non citizens, many countries do that. What you cannot do is prevent people working and deny them food or medicine. Of course there's a major difference between those invited to work here and illegal arrivals.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 23, 2024 11:35:42 GMT
Here's some stats to assist the conversation.
In January 2024, 6.4 million people were on Universal Credit.
37% (2.3M) of people on Universal Credit were in the "no work requirements" conditionality regime in January 2024.
In February 2024, 18% of the working age population were on out-of-work benefits.
In 2023, the majority of the 2.7 million "inactive" under-25s were students who did not want a job.
4.2 million working-age people were receiving at least one health-related benefit in April 2024.
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 11:47:53 GMT
As I predicted - people were told they were paying towards pensions that would look after them when they were elderly, but they were not. It's a similar story will all government services now. The flan folds Yeah they lied. The cost of keeping ever more of them alive sucked up all the National Insurance they paid and left nothing for state pensions. But no government was brave enough to tell them the health care was getting better and more expensive. Socialism was advertised as one thing and became something else ( a way of ripping people off). This must be a first
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