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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 22:04:08 GMT
In my honest opinion, national service should be reinstated now. I don't mean Sunak's idea of national service, I mean proper national service in which young men are compelled to enter the armed forces for a minimum 18 months, or go to prison. Very sexist of you. Don't you want the womens in there too? |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 22:04:25 GMT
You may well be right but when I was much younger I remember reading that the WW1 generation felt very much the same about the young and the Oxford union had a debate that this house does not believe you should fight for king and country which was passed by a massive majority and they then all went on to do what they did in WW2. I quite enjoy watching debates at the Oxford Union, it reminds me how utterly clueless many of the pampered bright young things who are supposedly tomorrows captains of industry, really are. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 22:06:45 GMT
In my honest opinion, national service should be reinstated now. I don't mean Sunak's idea of national service, I mean proper national service in which young men are compelled to enter the armed forces for a minimum 18 months, or go to prison. Very sexist of you. Don't you want the womens in there too? I wondered if anyone would mention that. And to answer your question, no. I could go into explanations, but I'm not going to. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on May 28, 2024 2:55:33 GMT
The plan is to mimic what Macron is doing in France … sacrifice the white indigenous populations of Europe in the killing fields of Ukraine … whilst the immigrant illegals and Islam is shoe-horned in to take over Europe. The Kalergi Plan …. Final Phase. … thanks to Merkel, Junker, Kohl, Macron, Van der Leyen, Stoltenberg etc. Sunak and Starmer are v.dangerous puppets of the Deep State, Israel, Islam and the Soros Posse … shoe-horned into power and propped up by the WEF/EU Commission …. to further their Totalitarian eastwards expansionist agenda … and engineer further genocides in Eastern Europe/Middle East … next stop Russia and China. => Nuclear War. Trump wasn’t the liability here … the CIA/Israel were … they engineered in Biden ….Joe and Hunter. … check out his laptop on his Ukraine activities years before Russia’s intervention in 2022. Ask yourselves why our armed forces are deployed propping up Israeli and EU interests right now … instead of defending the UK from invasion?? If people can’t see this by now … they need to go back to school and get an education outside what the MSM and MOD is telling them. Liz Truss famously said she was thwarted by the deep state, and she was right. She didn't fall victim to any democratic process or the electorate, she fell victim to an almost hidden bureaucratic establishment and it's left leaning lawyers. Governments, western governments anyway, are governed not by democratically elected politicians who govern in the best interests of their electorates, they're governed by shady unelected supranational organisations two of whom you mention, the WEF and EU Commission, several others spring to mind but they all have one thing in common, they are all very powerful and largely unknown to the vast majority of people. People have to understand that the Israeli/Islamic Posse that runs this Country now, controls the Media, Deep State and Whitehall … and the Banking/Markets … which can manipulate … thru WEF/EU Commission CONTROL … any financial/scandal “crisis” they want, to oust any elected PM they want, when they want. Our voting system is pretty much irrelevant now … they suck up and kiss babies during “campaigning” … then ignore all they promised when in power … servants to a foreign master. Truss was a stop gap shoe-in ‘designed to fail’ and create a “crisis of confidence” in the City … that hiked the mortgage rate from 1.5 => 5% in a short 6 week period. …. it gave Sunak breathing space to reinvent himself after the finance debt disaster of the Plandemic. The WEF/EU had their bright poodle at the helm for 2 years. Exaggerate Truss finance horror => shoe-in another Leader we never voted for … who would also be forced to place all our armed forces under CIA/EU/Israeli command … and continue the deliberate failure to seal all our borders from illegal entry … part of a 40 year secret Israeli forced immigration eugenics manipulation … that our politicians have been hiding and facilitating … with anyone exposing it and protesting being labelled “racist/anti-semitic/anti-islamic”. Wrestling back control is going to be a real challenge now … with so many whores working for this ‘mafia’. With regards National Service. … 95% Immigrants aren’t going to fight for UK unity and security. Sunak’s National Service plan is more CIA/WEF WW3 mongering… like the Rwanda Plan … calculated to be “a stupid idea” from the outset … rejected by MOD professionals … who knew resistance to coercion spells disaster when you shoe-in non-Professionals … with a Leftist propensity to engineer anarchy and terrorist insurgency … These foreigners will tear these Regiments apart as 95% immigrants/muslims will start shooting white British Officers in the back every opportunity they get given live ammo. Force an islamist/immigrant into our Armed Forces is the same as crow-barring in openly gay/transvestite people into the military … discipline will completely fall apart, distrust and insecurity will be pandemic. Many breaches in security happened in the Middle East with insider Islamic terrorist attacks … you cannot build an effective fighting force if you cannot completely trust every member of your TEAM 100%. Who wants to even fly with a muslim pilot these days? … you never know when they will ‘flip’ and want to die for Mohammed instead of some Country they have no real love for … that knows they are ‘outsiders’. Sunak is a foreigner who knows what will tear our Military apart … more immigrant insurgency. Anyone who thinks this is a ‘good idea’ is clearly another Macron-cloned moron … plotting the destruction of the UK and the genocide of indigenous Europeans … and out to engineer WW3. If Sunak proposed bringing the British Military back home to effectively defend our Homeland and seal our Borders … and return these illegal refugees back to where they came from … mainly France/EU territory … with it’s designer-leaky borders …. and abandoned the Rwanda Plan … and stopped working for Israeli/EU/CIA/US interests … I might possibly vote for him …. I warned you Sunak and Starmer are dangerous! |
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Post by sheepy on May 28, 2024 6:19:57 GMT
Liz Truss famously said she was thwarted by the deep state, and she was right. She didn't fall victim to any democratic process or the electorate, she fell victim to an almost hidden bureaucratic establishment and it's left leaning lawyers. Governments, western governments anyway, are governed not by democratically elected politicians who govern in the best interests of their electorates, they're governed by shady unelected supranational organisations two of whom you mention, the WEF and EU Commission, several others spring to mind but they all have one thing in common, they are all very powerful and largely unknown to the vast majority of people. People have to understand that the Israeli/Islamic Posse that runs this Country now, controls the Media, Deep State and Whitehall … and the Banking/Markets … which can manipulate … thru WEF/EU Commission CONTROL … any financial/scandal “crisis” they want, to oust any elected PM they want, when they want. Our voting system is pretty much irrelevant now … they suck up and kiss babies during “campaigning” … then ignore all they promised when in power … servants to a foreign master. Truss was a stop gap shoe-in ‘designed to fail’ and create a “crisis of confidence” in the City … that hiked the mortgage rate from 1.5 => 5% in a short 6 week period. …. it gave Sunak breathing space to reinvent himself after the finance debt disaster of the Plandemic. The WEF/EU had their bright poodle at the helm for 2 years. Exaggerate Truss finance horror => shoe-in another Leader we never voted for … who would also be forced to place all our armed forces under CIA/EU/Israeli command … and continue the deliberate failure to seal all our borders from illegal entry … part of a 40 year secret Israeli forced immigration eugenics manipulation … that our politicians have been hiding and facilitating … with anyone exposing it and protesting being labelled “racist/anti-semitic/anti-islamic”. Wrestling back control is going to be a real challenge now … with so many whores working for this ‘mafia’. With regards National Service. … 95% Immigrants aren’t going to fight for UK unity and security. Sunak’s National Service plan is more CIA/WEF WW3 mongering… like the Rwanda Plan … calculated to be “a stupid idea” from the outset … rejected by MOD professionals … who knew resistance to coercion spells disaster when you shoe-in non-Professionals … with a Leftist propensity to engineer anarchy and terrorist insurgency … These foreigners will tear these Regiments apart as 95% immigrants/muslims will start shooting white British Officers in the back every opportunity they get given live ammo. Force an islamist/immigrant into our Armed Forces is the same as crow-barring in openly gay/transvestite people into the military … discipline will completely fall apart, distrust and insecurity will be pandemic. Many breaches in security happened in the Middle East with insider Islamic terrorist attacks … you cannot build an effective fighting force if you cannot completely trust every member of your TEAM 100%. Who wants to even fly with a muslim pilot these days? … you never know when they will ‘flip’ and want to die for Mohammed instead of some Country they have no real love for … that knows they are ‘outsiders’. Sunak is a foreigner who knows what will tear our Military apart … more immigrant insurgency. Anyone who thinks this is a ‘good idea’ is clearly another Macron-cloned moron … plotting the destruction of the UK and the genocide of indigenous Europeans … and out to engineer WW3. If Sunak proposed bringing the British Military back home to effectively defend our Homeland and seal our Borders … and return these illegal refugees back to where they came from … mainly France/EU territory … with it’s designer-leaky borders …. and abandoned the Rwanda Plan … and stopped working for Israeli/EU/CIA/US interests … I might possibly vote for him …. I warned you Sunak and Starmer are dangerous! I wouldn't worry so much over it, it is never going to happen, just like the Rwanda plan, purely made up to create some kind of diversion, while the plebs think somehow they will be saved. How many boats stopped? how many sent to Rwanda? how many marched off to join the armed forces? |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 28, 2024 6:21:06 GMT
Well one bright spark in the Tory party said anyone refusing would be jailed,really how? and it begs the question with prisoners being released early because the jails are full and the police are now engaged in operation safeguard holding prisoners because again the gaols are full (hardly ever used the word gaol anymore so I thought I’d give it an outing)how could they be jailed/gaoled  Well i do not know who that ‘bright spark in the tory party is’ but the fact is the official word is there would be NON CRIMINAL sanctions (which the official spokes tosser could not define because they haven’t thought of any, so presumably loss of dole money) |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 28, 2024 6:26:04 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? Oh very funny. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 28, 2024 15:13:03 GMT
You may well be right but when I was much younger I remember reading that the WW1 generation felt very much the same about the young and the Oxford union had a debate that this house does not believe you should fight for king and country which was passed by a massive majority and they then all went on to do what they did in WW2. I quite enjoy watching debates at the Oxford Union, it reminds me how utterly clueless many of the pampered bright young things who are supposedly tomorrows captains of industry, really are. Sure, but have you noticed how it is almost identical to Parliament where you get the same twats.
I actually went to a real Oxford debate once when I was a student. It was at the JCR in Balliol.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 28, 2024 15:30:40 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? Oh very funny. Of course it is socialist. You could even liken it to a bit of the classical national socialism. It actually goes right back to Plato. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 19:31:05 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? They are not dictating. It’s already been established that no one will be prosecuted for refusing . Which makes it even more of an idiotic and unworkable idea. If they're thinking of using it as an alternative to other forms of punishment, like prison, then we'll just end up with criminal scum with military training. Usually you can't even join the armed forces with a criminal record. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 6:36:30 GMT
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Post by Bentley on May 29, 2024 10:03:35 GMT
Well there are countries in the world that have National service and international sports at the same time … You think Labours media is having a blinder by claiming National service would be wrong due to football players having to sign up ? lol. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 10:16:21 GMT
Well there are countries in the world that have National service and international sports at the same time … You think Labours media is having a blinder by claiming National service would be wrong due to football players having to sign up ? lol. I thought it was an amusing post that would strike a chord with a lot of people outside the Westminster bubble. Like it or not a lot of people in this country love their football and for us England fans of a certain age the Owen goal v Argentina in 98 is one of our most joyous football memories, the thought of being deprived of a comparable moment in future by ill thought out Tory policy doesn't endear this England fan to the Tories. It does also prompt a wider question about 18 year olds who have jobs that involve weekend working hours. |
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Post by Bentley on May 29, 2024 10:24:52 GMT
Well there are countries in the world that have National service and international sports at the same time … You think Labours media is having a blinder by claiming National service would be wrong due to football players having to sign up ? lol. I thought it was an amusing post that would strike a chord with a lot of people outside the Westminster bubble. Like it or not a lot of people in this country love their football and for us England fans of a certain age the Owen goal v Argentina in 98 is one of our most joyous football memories, the thought of being deprived of a comparable moment in future by ill thought out Tory policy doesn't endear this England fan to the Tories. It does also prompt a wider question about 18 year olds who have jobs that involve weekend working hours. It does imply that people outside the ‘ Westminster bubble ‘ are somewhat vacuous and shallow by claiming Nation service is wrong because footballers might have to join . |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 10:32:28 GMT
I thought it was an amusing post that would strike a chord with a lot of people outside the Westminster bubble. Like it or not a lot of people in this country love their football and for us England fans of a certain age the Owen goal v Argentina in 98 is one of our most joyous football memories, the thought of being deprived of a comparable moment in future by ill thought out Tory policy doesn't endear this England fan to the Tories. It does also prompt a wider question about 18 year olds who have jobs that involve weekend working hours. It does imply that people outside the ‘ Westminster bubble ‘ are somewhat vacuous and shallow by claiming Nation service is wrong because footballers might have to join . Liking football makes one vacuous and shallow does it? I've never been interested in fishing personally but I don't look down my nose at people who are. Like I said it's not just footballers either, it applies to any 18 year old that works weekends. |
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