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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 9:31:57 GMT
The plan is to mimic what Macron is doing in France … sacrifice the white indigenous populations of Europe in the killing fields of Ukraine … whilst the immigrant illegals and Islam is shoe-horned in to take over Europe. The Kalergi Plan …. Final Phase. … thanks to Merkel, Junker, Kohl, Macron, Van der Leyen, Stoltenberg etc. Sunak and Starmer are v.dangerous puppets of the Deep State, Israel, Islam and the Soros Posse … shoe-horned into power and propped up by the WEF/EU Commission …. to further their Totalitarian eastwards expansionist agenda … and engineer further genocides in Eastern Europe/Middle East … next stop Russia and China. => Nuclear War. Trump wasn’t the liability here … the CIA/Israel were … they engineered in Biden ….Joe and Hunter. … check out his laptop on his Ukraine activities years before Russia’s intervention in 2022. Ask yourselves why our armed forces are deployed propping up Israeli and EU interests right now … instead of defending the UK from invasion?? If people can’t see this by now … they need to go back to school and get an education outside what the MSM and MOD is telling them. Liz Truss famously said she was thwarted by the deep state, and she was right. She didn't fall victim to any democratic process or the electorate, she fell victim to an almost hidden bureaucratic establishment and it's left leaning lawyers. Governments, western governments anyway, are governed not by democratically elected politicians who govern in the best interests of their electorates, they're governed by shady unelected supranational organisations two of whom you mention, the WEF and EU Commission, several others spring to mind but they all have one thing in common, they are all very powerful and largely unknown to the vast majority of people. |
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Post by wapentake on May 27, 2024 18:01:44 GMT
Well one bright spark in the Tory party said anyone refusing would be jailed,really how? and it begs the question with prisoners being released early because the jails are full and the police are now engaged in operation safeguard holding prisoners because again the gaols are full (hardly ever used the word gaol anymore so I thought I’d give it an outing)how could they be jailed/gaoled  |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 20:33:07 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist?
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Post by wapentake on May 27, 2024 20:40:31 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? I suppose what is forgotten is that national service was imposed by the first post war lab govt and ended iirc by the Tory govt around 1960 |
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Post by Equivocal on May 27, 2024 20:55:29 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? I suppose what is forgotten is that national service was imposed by the first post war lab govt and ended iirc by the Tory govt around 1960 And, Heath brought in Community Service as a punishment in 1972. |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 21:13:10 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? They are not dictating. It’s already been established that no one will be prosecuted for refusing . |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 21:25:38 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? They are not dictating. It’s already been established that no one will be prosecuted for refusing . Actually they haven't decided on punishment for dissenters, they're going to to leave it to the recommendation of a royal commission. It's almost as though they haven't thought it through, so seems a bit of a bizarre one to announce. Still at least it's got people talking about a policy idea. |
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Post by bancroft on May 27, 2024 21:30:39 GMT
Yep it is headline grabbing, in detail it would need a lot of filling out as it won't fit all and they need to tie it up with benefits to stop the opt out brigade.
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 21:32:49 GMT
They are not dictating. It’s already been established that no one will be prosecuted for refusing . Actually they haven't decided on punishment for dissenters, they're going to to leave it to the recommendation of a royal commission. It's almost as though they haven't thought it through, so seems a bit of a bizarre one to announce. Still at least it's got people talking about a policy idea. Iirc Cleverly said that no one would be prosecuted. Until we find out if there will be a penalty and what that penalty would be , we can’t claim that the government is dictating anything . |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 21:35:41 GMT
Actually they haven't decided on punishment for dissenters, they're going to to leave it to the recommendation of a royal commission. It's almost as though they haven't thought it through, so seems a bit of a bizarre one to announce. Still at least it's got people talking about a policy idea. Iirc Cleverly said that no one would be prosecuted. Until we find out if there will be a penalty and what that penalty would be , we can’t claim that the government is dictating anything . And Anne Marie Travellyan said fine the parents... I'm going on the direct interview with Rishi Sunak, what I said was what he said. I do agree that cabinet members not singing from the same hymn sheet is confusing though. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 21:35:54 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? I suppose what is forgotten is that national service was imposed by the first post war lab govt and ended iirc by the Tory govt around 1960 In my honest opinion, national service should be reinstated now. I don't mean Sunak's idea of national service, I mean proper national service in which young men are compelled to enter the armed forces for a minimum 18 months, or go to prison. The problem we have today is many young people particularly gen Z types and millennials to an extent, don't seem to have any concept of country or loyalty because they have never had to fight for anything and tbh a left wing education system doesn't help. During the cold war we hoped for the best but constantly trained for the worst because that's obviously the sensible option. Today with China and Russia I doubt we have lived in a more uncertain world since the cold war, yet it seems to me we have never been less prepared. Young people today seem to worry about all the wrong things, perhaps that's not necessarily their fault. Perhaps they're easily influenced by left wing teachers and 'social media'. God help us. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 27, 2024 21:39:27 GMT
I think the surprise for me is it doesn't seem like a very "Conservative" idea. The idea of the state dictating what adults should do just seems a bit... socialist? well done - I think you are finally cottoning on to the fact that we do not have a conservative government. I knew you would get there in the end. |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 21:49:33 GMT
Iirc Cleverly said that no one would be prosecuted. Until we find out if there will be a penalty and what that penalty would be , we can’t claim that the government is dictating anything . And Anne Marie Travellyan said fine the parents... I'm going on the direct interview with Rishi Sunak, what I said was what he said. I do agree that cabinet members not singing from the same hymn sheet is confusing though. Christ , did she ? Fining the parents of 18 year olds isn’t a good idea and just won’t happen . I don’t know if you ever joined local Facebook pages but there are regular posts about anti social behaviour on some of them . You almost always get one poster who tells us that we should bring back national service followed by another one who says we should fine the parents . This is just awful. |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 21:57:10 GMT
The Tories are talking down to us or talking down to what they think we are .
They are educated people who know this shit won’t ever fly .
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Post by wapentake on May 27, 2024 21:59:28 GMT
I suppose what is forgotten is that national service was imposed by the first post war lab govt and ended iirc by the Tory govt around 1960 In my honest opinion, national service should be reinstated now. I don't mean Sunak's idea of national service, I mean proper national service in which young men are compelled to enter the armed forces for a minimum 18 months, or go to prison. The problem we have today is many young people particularly gen Z types and millennials to an extent, don't seem to have any concept of country or loyalty because they have never had to fight for anything and tbh a left wing education system doesn't help. During the cold war we hoped for the best but constantly trained for the worst because that's obviously the sensible option. Today with China and Russia I doubt we have lived in a more uncertain world since the cold war, yet it seems to me we have never been less prepared. Young people today seem to worry about all the wrong things, perhaps that's not necessarily their fault. Perhaps they're easily influenced by left wing teachers and 'social media'. God help us. You may well be right but when I was much younger I remember reading that the WW1 generation felt very much the same about the young and the Oxford union had a debate that this house does not believe you should fight for king and country which was passed by a massive majority and they then all went on to do what they did in WW2. |
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