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Post by ratcliff on Nov 21, 2023 22:26:20 GMT
It's Monte not Monty and pronouns are only important to those on the extremes who make them a big issue. The vast majority of people are completely unaffected by them. The vast majority of normal people know that being served in a shop by an obvious man in a frock is a he and would address him as such no matter what pretence he has had printed on his name badge. The Labour party (including deluded members of the shadow cabinet such as Lisa Nandy amongst others) and the liberal party want to pretend that a man in a frock who calls himself Sally and wants to use the ladies toilets should be able to make criminal complaints against those normal people who object to his delusions |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2023 10:19:28 GMT
True, although to be fair I don't object to "Sallys" delusions. S/he's welcome to them.
I only object if I'm forced to play along.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 22, 2023 11:31:50 GMT
True, although to be fair I don't object to "Sallys" delusions. S/he's welcome to them. I only object if I'm forced to play along. How about if you are only asked to play along? No forcing just requesting? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2023 11:43:58 GMT
True, although to be fair I don't object to "Sallys" delusions. S/he's welcome to them. I only object if I'm forced to play along. How about if you are only asked to play along? No forcing just requesting? That's a different thing. I'm a tolerant person.
But Starmer wants to make it law. That's where the force comes in.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 22, 2023 16:34:59 GMT
The vast majority of normal people know that being served in a shop by an obvious man in a frock is a he and would address him as such no matter what pretence he has had printed on his name badge. Only if you are a rude and obnoxious person. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 22, 2023 16:52:44 GMT
If the Tories lose the election, and as we all know it seems likely, then Sunak is history. He may resign immediately he may have to be be pushed but there is absolutely no doubt he will be replaced. Given the Tories are apparently going to lose anyway, why not cut to the chase and replace him now? I accept it's unlikely, although not impossible. This country has never needed a strong centre right Conservative prime minister more than it does now, it would absolutely revitalise Tory voters and activists in the run up to the election and that's exactly what we need. Doesn't the scale of defeat matter as well though? As you say it looks almost certain that the Tories will lose the next GE but there's a big difference between losing narrowly and losing so heavily you effectively lose the 2024 and 2029 election on the same day. So I wouldn't say that the Tories are in nothing to lose territory yet. Predictions of events that are years away should not be taken seriously. After Boris's landslide win in 2019 political commentators said Labour would be wiped out until at least 2029, ha. In my opinion if Labour win and personally I don't think it's a given but if they do, I very much doubt it will a landslide. Indeed I've heard political commentators talking about the possibility of a hung parliament. However, there's a long time to go yet. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 22, 2023 17:07:18 GMT
It's Monte not Monty and pronouns are only important to those on the extremes who make them a big issue. The vast majority of people are completely unaffected by them. The vast majority of normal people know that being served in a shop by an obvious man in a frock is a he and would address him as such no matter what pretence he has had printed on his name badge. The Labour party (including deluded members of the shadow cabinet such as Lisa Nandy amongst others) and the liberal party want to pretend that a man in a frock who calls himself Sally and wants to use the ladies toilets should be able to make criminal complaints against those normal people who object to his delusions I mentioned a while back that as Mrs R and I approached a till in Dunelm's I was confronted with a sight I couldn't quite believe. He was a young man early 20's and easily 6ft tall. He was unshaven and wore a bright blue dress with lace trim and three quarter length sleeves. The apparition was topped off with blue eye shadow that had been applied with a table spoon, red blusher and matching lipstick. To say he looked ridiculous is an understatement. He looked like a prop forward who was hungover from a previous nights tarts & vicars party at the rugby club. I was snapped out of my gaze when Mrs R jabbed me in the ribs and hissed, stop staring. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 17:24:06 GMT
So, how many letters have gone in to the 1922 committee?
I bet it's in single figures. Why upset the apple cart again, just before losing an election?
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 22, 2023 18:18:26 GMT
So, how many letters have gone in to the 1922 committee? I bet it's in single figures. Why upset the apple cart again, just before losing an election? I believe it may be as many as six or seven. Nothing Sunak will be unduly concerned about. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 22, 2023 19:27:25 GMT
So, how many letters have gone in to the 1922 committee? I bet it's in single figures. Why upset the apple cart again, just before losing an election? I believe it may be as many as six or seven. Nothing Sunak will be unduly concerned about. Exactly. Fortunately loony toons like Andrea Jenkyns are not representative of most Tory MPs. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 22, 2023 19:34:19 GMT
Doesn't the scale of defeat matter as well though? As you say it looks almost certain that the Tories will lose the next GE but there's a big difference between losing narrowly and losing so heavily you effectively lose the 2024 and 2029 election on the same day. So I wouldn't say that the Tories are in nothing to lose territory yet. Predictions of events that are years away should not be taken seriously. After Boris's landslide win in 2019 political commentators said Labour would be wiped out until at least 2029, ha. In my opinion if Labour win and personally I don't think it's a given but if they do, I very much doubt it will a landslide. Indeed I've heard political commentators talking about the possibility of a hung parliament. However, there's a long time to go yet. On what media did you hear these political commentators Red? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 22, 2023 19:44:46 GMT
I believe it may be as many as six or seven. Nothing Sunak will be unduly concerned about. Exactly. Fortunately loony toons like Andrea Jenkyns are not representative of most Tory MPs. She is quite good actually. The problem with many Tory MP's is, they're not Tories. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 22, 2023 19:52:07 GMT
Predictions of events that are years away should not be taken seriously. After Boris's landslide win in 2019 political commentators said Labour would be wiped out until at least 2029, ha. In my opinion if Labour win and personally I don't think it's a given but if they do, I very much doubt it will a landslide. Indeed I've heard political commentators talking about the possibility of a hung parliament. However, there's a long time to go yet. On what media did you hear these political commentators Red? Just google it, there are several helpful links including links from the left wing Guardian and Independent. In-fact left wing commentators seem to be speculating on the possibility of a hung parliament more than right wing commentators. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 22, 2023 20:01:58 GMT
The problem with many Tory MP's is, they're not Tories. Because, obviously, you're the only arbiter of who is, or isn't, "Tory". |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 22, 2023 20:08:27 GMT
The problem with many Tory MP's is, they're not Tories. Because, obviously, you're the only arbiter of who is, or isn't, "Tory". Not sure I follow that Walter, I'm a Tory. A proper centre right Tory. |
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