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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 6:40:19 GMT
I would be open to the notion that David Cameron occupies the centre-ground between people who believe women have penises and normal people. I suspect you are correct, perish the thought Dave should rock the boat. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2023 6:59:02 GMT
I would say that those who resort to culture wars rather than serious issues occupy the extreme wings of politics.
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 7:03:02 GMT
I would say that those who resort to culture wars rather than serious issues occupy the extreme wings of politics. Translation from leftish - If you argue, or disagree, with so called 'political positions' that a decade ago would have landed you in a psychiatric hospital, you are an extremist |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2023 7:10:21 GMT
An obsession with pronouns is not a centre position either on the left or right.
It is irrelevant to the vast majority of the population who have more important things to worry about.
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 7:28:51 GMT
An obsession with pronouns is not a centre position either on the left or right. It is irrelevant to the vast majority of the population who have more important things to worry about. Another sly attempt to forbid disagreement. Either it is not important, in which case people are right to object to it being foisted on them as if it is highly important, or it is important, in which case people are quite right to object because it is important. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 7:41:57 GMT
To be clear, Monty - I really don't think you are deliberately engaging in manipulation here.
You are repeating the same techniques that were used to manipulate you because you think they are arguments that convinced you.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2023 7:55:30 GMT
It's Monte not Monty and pronouns are only important to those on the extremes who make them a big issue.
The vast majority of people are completely unaffected by them.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 17, 2023 11:22:41 GMT
An obsession with pronouns is not a centre position either on the left or right. It is irrelevant to the vast majority of the population who have more important things to worry about. The obsession with pronouns is with the left . The rest of us insist that the delusion doesn’t become acknowledged ‘facts .’ If your 60 year old uncle identifies as a 12 year old girl then it’s not the ones that insist he is deluded or worse who are ‘ obsessed ‘ with his claims . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2023 13:26:23 GMT
I would say that those who resort to culture wars rather than serious issues occupy the extreme wings of politics. So you're saying that the Labour Party is an extremist organisation.
Interesting. I agree.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2023 13:40:50 GMT
I would say that those who resort to culture wars rather than serious issues occupy the extreme wings of politics. So you're saying that the Labour Party is an extremist organisation.
Interesting. I agree.
I'm saying they have their left wing just as the Tories have their right wing. Thankfully both parties have worked out that victory in the next election lies in the centre. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2023 13:43:52 GMT
So you're saying that the Labour Party is an extremist organisation.
Interesting. I agree.
I'm saying they have their left wing just as the Tories have their right wing. Thankfully both parties have worked out that victory in the next election lies in the centre. Labour centrist, pull the other one.
They are insisting that a woman can have a penis. And that's absurd.
They want to make it illegal to “Misgender” someone. By “Misgender” they mean refer to someone by their actual gender, not the one they're pretending to be. And that's absurd.
Labour have endlessly pursued divisive identity politics. They are the real racists, yet claim that it's everyone else suffering “Unconscious bias”. And that's absurd.
Labour are extremists. A fascist organisation. They've simply moved onto even more damaging and insidious cultural fascism in place of the traditional kind.
If the sheeple believe that Labour are in any way centrist, then the sheeple will get exactly what they deserve. Without lube.
And they can't say they weren't warned.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2023 14:01:15 GMT
New Labour mk2. You're going to love it.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2023 16:24:34 GMT
Nothing new about it, there never was. It's the same old, same old.
Still, after Starmer comes PM Farage and you're really going to love that.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 17, 2023 16:50:02 GMT
I would be open to the notion that David Cameron occupies the centre-ground between people who believe women have penises and normal people. I suspect you are correct, perish the thought Dave should rock the boat. The best description I saw of call me Dave and him returning to govt is that it’s the equivalent of a relegation certainty football club desperately ringing Sam Allardyce for help. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 21, 2023 13:56:13 GMT
I think to a large extent they are thinking about the next election trying to shore up the "blue wall" to give them a base to rebuild from. Not a silly strategy given the utter shambles they have been in this parliament. Switching to a right wing leader now and a fourth PM in one parliament would surely leave them in an even worse place for 2029. Very unlikely to happen. If the Tories lose the election, and as we all know it seems likely, then Sunak is history. He may resign immediately he may have to be be pushed but there is absolutely no doubt he will be replaced. Given the Tories are apparently going to lose anyway, why not cut to the chase and replace him now? I accept it's unlikely, although not impossible. This country has never needed a strong centre right Conservative prime minister more than it does now, it would absolutely revitalise Tory voters and activists in the run up to the election and that's exactly what we need. Doesn't the scale of defeat matter as well though? As you say it looks almost certain that the Tories will lose the next GE but there's a big difference between losing narrowly and losing so heavily you effectively lose the 2024 and 2029 election on the same day. So I wouldn't say that the Tories are in nothing to lose territory yet. |
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