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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 14:08:29 GMT
Sunak is the centre right leader. Braverman is way over to the right. Centrists don't undermine the police and try to bypass international law. Continuous repetition of this picture, doesn't make it true. For conservatives, Rishi is quite wetish and braverman isn't very right. We seem to have a repeating theme of Marxists attempting to instruct conservatives on where their party should be situated politically. No conservative worth his salt would allow any court to force the UK population to prostrate before a Jihadi invasion. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 16, 2023 14:10:09 GMT
Sunak is the centre right leader. Braverman is way over to the right. Centrists don't undermine the police and try to bypass international law. Sunak is not centre right lol, the very thought. We haven't had a centre right prime minister since Thatcher. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 16, 2023 14:15:25 GMT
Sunak is the centre right leader. Braverman is way over to the right. Centrists don't undermine the police and try to bypass international law. Sunak is not centre right lol, the very thought. We haven't had a centre right prime minister since Thatcher. Sir John Major is far more of a centrist that Maggie ever was. So is Cameron. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 16, 2023 14:25:20 GMT
Sunak is not centre right lol, the very thought. We haven't had a centre right prime minister since Thatcher. Sir John Major is far more of a centrist that Maggie ever was. So is Cameron. ! I agree. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 16, 2023 14:36:50 GMT
Sir John Major is far more of a centrist that Maggie ever was. So is Cameron. ! I agree. Centre right must mean something different to you. There was little centrist about Maggie. I suspect you really mean hard right. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 16, 2023 14:54:58 GMT
Centre right must mean something different to you. There was little centrist about Maggie. I suspect you really mean hard right. I have never described Thatcher as a centrist, she certainly was not a centrist. But anyone who thinks she was 'hard right' doesn't understand what hard right is.  |
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Post by dappy on Nov 16, 2023 15:04:20 GMT
I see another thread has disappeared down the "fascinating" diversion of defining what right and centre right is. Why does this matter so much for those who are right wing?
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 15:07:07 GMT
I see another thread has disappeared down the "fascinating" diversion of defining what right and centre right is. Why does this matter so much for those who are right wing? Like most of these arguments, it usually starts with someone who is left wing attempting a re-definition. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 16, 2023 15:11:06 GMT
Well now, Rackham has been trying to provoke this discussion all day. Goodness only knows why.
Broadly surely a sensible definition would be
Momentum - left
Starmer - centre left
Lib Dems - centre
One nations - centre right
populists - right
BNP types - far right
Of course it varies to some extent issue by issue.
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 15:16:06 GMT
From the perspective of a Labour party Marxist revolutionary, the entire Conservative party is right wing. However, these axes are pretty meaningless when talking about distinctions within the Conservative party.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 16, 2023 16:10:34 GMT
I agree that it's difficult for the Tories to win next year, but honestly who would you replace Sunak with? Farage. Instant landslide. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 16, 2023 16:16:58 GMT
I agree that it's difficult for the Tories to win next year, but honestly who would you replace Sunak with? Farage. Instant landslide. ...for Labour. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 16, 2023 16:34:15 GMT
I agree that it's difficult for the Tories to win next year, but honestly who would you replace Sunak with? Farage. Instant landslide. For shits and giggles? 🫣 I thought you were being serious. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 4:02:15 GMT
Well now, Rackham has been trying to provoke this discussion all day. Goodness only knows why. Broadly surely a sensible definition would be Momentum - left Starmer - centre left Lib Dems - centre One nations - centre right populists - right BNP types - far right Of course it varies to some extent issue by issue. Pillock. Labour are left, Momentum are far left. Jon Lansman the founder of Momentum proudly describes himself as a Marxist, as did Corbyn's 2ic,John McDonnell. Corbyn for obvious reasons always refused to confirm whether he was a Marxist or not. And this is the kicker, honestly anyone who seriously thinks the LibDems are centrist is clueless and should not be taken seriously. What was it Ed Davey said when asked if a woman can have a penis - "Quite clearly they can". Dappy, you and Ed have a lot in common, lol. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 6:34:05 GMT
I would be open to the notion that David Cameron occupies the centre-ground between people who believe women have penises and normal people.
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