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Post by ratcliff on Nov 4, 2023 14:04:57 GMT
I haven't made my opinion known in this thread, so you seem to be making assumptions here. I asked you a simple question, but you don't seem honest enough to answer it. Ho hum. I think your comment I replied to made your view pretty clear. No I'm not involved in a witch hunt, I would like to see some accountability. Well why not start with that black hole of taxpayers money ? The megastaffed NHS with its invisible boss and constant buck passing The NHS which effectively closed itself down to anything other than covid , anyone with cancer symptons/diagnoses/needing screening, ops etc etc etc could sod off and bash saauucepans for the so called heroes of the NHS which is run for the benefit of its staff rather than their customers who are still trying to get now very serious/terminal conditions attended |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 4, 2023 17:38:27 GMT
He got the call on leaving the EU right. He also got the call on what to do about Covid right but was derailed by Sage (principally Neil Ferguson). Once Ferguson had said that hundreds of thousands would die unless we locked down Boris basically was forced to lock down, which was the wrong decision. Boris won an 80 seat majority but his problem was that the Tory party is split and he couldn't always rely on support for policies. In particular a lot of Tories didn't want to leave the EU and made life difficult for him. Also the Speaker didn't want to leave the EU and of course the Labour party didn't want to leave the EU. Given all the opposition he had it was a massive achievement for Boris to actually manage to leave - especially after Benn's Surrender Act. Long after nonsense like Partygate has been forgotten history will regard Boris as one of our greatest Prime Ministers for the act of leaving the EU alone. He was a great leader who was brought down by Leftie pygmies. One of the first estimates of the number of deaths as revealed in the covid enquiry by the expert modellers was 100 000 - 500 000. The actual figure today stands at 231,683. I'd be careful about trusting official figures for Covid deaths. You are better off looking at excess deaths. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 5, 2023 8:23:25 GMT
Is that what you believe the Covid Enquiry will conclude? You are having a laugh - the whole purpose of the enquiry is to show that the Tories were inept and that Lockdown would have been successful if only it had been done sooner, harder, stricter etc. You were not expecting anything else were you?  I expect clarity, something the politically devious Boris lacks. Clarity on his de facto 'Herd Immunity' in Jan 2020 with its unnecessary deaths and knock-on affects, will do for starters. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 5, 2023 8:35:02 GMT
That tautology shows you missed the point. The point YOU have missed this COVID inquiry is set top the TAX PAYERS £100million ...... YES £100million.
It's more waste of tax payers money, if you think it's justified wasting £100million on a COVID inquiry then you need your head examining.
**In August 2022, two months after its establishment, press reports suggested that £85m had already been spent on the Covid-19 Inquiry. Recent reports have suggested that number has now topped £100 million.
The inquiry is meant to make sure the country is better prepared for the next pandemic, and there will be one. The last pandemic was expected to take place at some time, there was even a stock of equipment kept in reserve for it. Boris was informed by his own people, 9 months before Covid struck, that the stock was out of date and needed to be replaced. He ignored the warning and then was driven by panic to get equipment at a time when all countries were in the same or similar boat. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2023 8:42:04 GMT
You are having a laugh - the whole purpose of the enquiry is to show that the Tories were inept and that Lockdown would have been successful if only it had been done sooner, harder, stricter etc. You were not expecting anything else were you? I expect clarity, something the politically devious Boris lacks. Clarity on his de facto 'Herd Immunity' in Jan 2020 with its unnecessary deaths and knock-on affects, will do for starters. When will the covid enquiry examine whether lockdowns were a good idea and look at all the damage they did? You are obsessed with personality not whether the decisions taken were correct. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 5, 2023 8:48:55 GMT
I expect clarity, something the politically devious Boris lacks. Clarity on his de facto 'Herd Immunity' in Jan 2020 with its unnecessary deaths and knock-on affects, will do for starters. When will the covid enquiry examine whether lockdowns were a good idea and look at all the damage they did? You are obsessed with personality not whether the decisions taken were correct. Excuses, excuses. You are obsessed with looking for excuses whenever anything appears that you feel the need to defend. Asking for clarity is not just about Boris, it is about the whole issue, and the benefits to be drawn for future use. Which is what the Inquiry is about. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2023 9:49:03 GMT
The point YOU have missed this COVID inquiry is set top the TAX PAYERS £100million ...... YES £100million.
It's more waste of tax payers money, if you think it's justified wasting £100million on a COVID inquiry then you need your head examining.
**In August 2022, two months after its establishment, press reports suggested that £85m had already been spent on the Covid-19 Inquiry. Recent reports have suggested that number has now topped £100 million.
The inquiry is meant to make sure the country is better prepared for the next pandemic, and there will be one. The last pandemic was expected to take place at some time, there was even a stock of equipment kept in reserve for it. Boris was informed by his own people, 9 months before Covid struck, that the stock was out of date and needed to be replaced. He ignored the warning and then was driven by panic to get equipment at a time when all countries were in the same or similar boat. Actually some of the issues predate Boris. They did a simulation in 2017 which highlighted issues, but didn't bother to act on the results, and that was under Theresa May. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2023 11:32:15 GMT
The inquiry is meant to make sure the country is better prepared for the next pandemic, and there will be one. The last pandemic was expected to take place at some time, there was even a stock of equipment kept in reserve for it. Boris was informed by his own people, 9 months before Covid struck, that the stock was out of date and needed to be replaced. He ignored the warning and then was driven by panic to get equipment at a time when all countries were in the same or similar boat. Actually some of the issues predate Boris. They did a simulation in 2017 which highlighted issues, but didn't bother to act on the results, and that was under Theresa May. The NHS said they did act on the results. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 5, 2023 15:12:13 GMT
One of the first estimates of the number of deaths as revealed in the covid enquiry by the expert modellers was 100 000 - 500 000. The actual figure today stands at 231,683. I'd be careful about trusting official figures for Covid deaths. You are better off looking at excess deaths. I will file that under the "if you don't like the figure then question the trustworthiness of it". It's always convincing if one supplies a reason for the distrust, and why that reason does not apply to the alternative figure! |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 5, 2023 16:23:15 GMT
The point YOU have missed this COVID inquiry is set top the TAX PAYERS £100million ...... YES £100million.
It's more waste of tax payers money, if you think it's justified wasting £100million on a COVID inquiry then you need your head examining.
**In August 2022, two months after its establishment, press reports suggested that £85m had already been spent on the Covid-19 Inquiry. Recent reports have suggested that number has now topped £100 million.
The inquiry is meant to make sure the country is better prepared for the next pandemic, and there will be one. The last pandemic was expected to take place at some time, there was even a stock of equipment kept in reserve for it. Boris was informed by his own people, 9 months before Covid struck, that the stock was out of date and needed to be replaced. He ignored the warning and then was driven by panic to get equipment at a time when all countries were in the same or similar boat. Boris was elected PM after the GE on 12 Dec 2019 , Boris was not PM 9 months before Covid struck so why on earth are you attempting to blame him for something that surely was a standard NHS stock taking job? Could it be your far lefty bias showing yet again? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2023 17:37:17 GMT
I'd be careful about trusting official figures for Covid deaths. You are better off looking at excess deaths. I will file that under the "if you don't like the figure then question the trustworthiness of it". It's always convincing if one supplies a reason for the distrust, and why that reason does not apply to the alternative figure! When had many discussions on the old site about why the official figures were not accurate so I'm nit sure its worth repeating all over again - suffice to say that at one point if you were knocked down by a bus you could be recorded as dying from Covid. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 5, 2023 19:11:53 GMT
I will file that under the "if you don't like the figure then question the trustworthiness of it". It's always convincing if one supplies a reason for the distrust, and why that reason does not apply to the alternative figure! When had many discussions on the old site about why the official figures were not accurate so I'm nit sure its worth repeating all over again - suffice to say that at one point if you were knocked down by a bus you could be recorded as dying from Covid. They probably are not that accurate, but still one could say around the 200k-300k mark as some would not have been recorded as covid either. We are still in the ballpark. Neil Ferguson was given so much shit over his warning, but you know the guy is a top mathematician and so say his students as well. If we compare the competence of Neil Ferguson to the competence of Johnson then there really is no comparison. Johnson was and is a supreme fuckwit. Neil Ferguson though comes across as a bit meek and softly spoken, and he is quite hard to understand because his statements have carefully crafted technical caveats to them and he just does not express things in an easy to understand way, compared to Johnson's bravado where he is rock solid and certain and has everything under control and world class. The proles went with Johnson's view like Jews queuing up for the gas chambers. Did you hear about the hairdryer cure? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2023 22:36:42 GMT
When had many discussions on the old site about why the official figures were not accurate so I'm nit sure its worth repeating all over again - suffice to say that at one point if you were knocked down by a bus you could be recorded as dying from Covid. They probably are not that accurate, but still one could say around the 200k-300k mark as some would not have been recorded as covid either. We are still in the ballpark. Neil Ferguson was given so much shit over his warning, but you know the guy is a top mathematician and so say his students as well. If we compare the competence of Neil Ferguson to the competence of Johnson then there really is no comparison. Johnson was and is a supreme fuckwit. What forecast has Neil Ferguson ever made that has come true? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 6, 2023 0:37:34 GMT
They probably are not that accurate, but still one could say around the 200k-300k mark as some would not have been recorded as covid either. We are still in the ballpark. Neil Ferguson was given so much shit over his warning, but you know the guy is a top mathematician and so say his students as well. If we compare the competence of Neil Ferguson to the competence of Johnson then there really is no comparison. Johnson was and is a supreme fuckwit. What forecast has Neil Ferguson ever made that has come true? The forecasts were all scenario-based and hence why they diverged from reality. If it were a bad forecast for a particular scenario the government would not pursue that scenario. The public who followed the spastic-minded press forgot this very important detail. It's why many died. They were simpletons. They believed they knew better and went out drinking as usual. Neil Ferguson was accurate because he used mathematics. He would have been even more accurate if the data were better collected, which was another issue we failed on. Garbage in = garbage out. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2023 7:57:22 GMT
What forecast has Neil Ferguson ever made that has come true? If it were a bad forecast for a particular scenario the government would not pursue that scenario. The public who followed the spastic-minded press forgot this very important detail. It's why many died. They were simpletons. They believed they knew better and went out drinking as usual. Neil Ferguson was accurate because he used mathematics. He would have been even more accurate if the data were better collected, which was another issue we failed on. Garbage in = garbage out. Well when you use the wrong scenario you must expect to be wrong. And to be fair it was not just Ferguson who kept getting it wrong - SAGE forecast that we would need 90,000 beds with ventilators, actual use peaked at 2,849.....  |
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