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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 23:55:56 GMT
What many of the British public are very pissed off about is the fact that many of the PPE contracts were not tendered, too many went to companies with links to Tory MPs, or that Tory MPs were linked to donations from PPE providers.
Such as this as one example ..... The Conservative peer Michelle Mone and her children secretly received £29m originating from the profits of a PPE business that was awarded large government contracts after she recommended it to ministers, documents seen by the Guardian indicate.
Lady Mone’s support helped the company, PPE Medpro, secure a place in a “VIP lane” the government used during the coronavirus pandemic to prioritise companies that had political connections. It then secured contracts worth more than £200m.
I could be wrong, but I am of the opinion that the Covid inquiry will seal the fate of the Conservatives at the next general election, on top of all the other failings, including an NHS in crisis and an economy bouncing along the bottom for years.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 0:01:58 GMT
What many of the British public are very pissed off about is the fact that many of the PPE contracts were not tendered, too many went to companies with links to Tory MPs, or that Tory MPs were linked to donations from PPE providers. Such as this as one example ..... The Conservative peer Michelle Mone and her children secretly received £29m originating from the profits of a PPE business that was awarded large government contracts after she recommended it to ministers, documents seen by the Guardian indicate. Lady Mone’s support helped the company, PPE Medpro, secure a place in a “VIP lane” the government used during the coronavirus pandemic to prioritise companies that had political connections. It then secured contracts worth more than £200m. I could be wrong, but I am of the opinion that the Covid inquiry will seal the fate of the Conservatives at the next general election, on top of all the other failings, including an NHS in crisis and an economy bouncing along the bottom for years. I think you're right, I also think that's the real reason certain Tory leaning posters are so supposedly outraged about the "waste of taxpayers money" on this enquiry. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 3, 2023 0:02:44 GMT
Not really. China's GDP had been on a downward trend since 2007. Although it increased slightly in 2021 compared to 2020,it's still below previous years, and it went back down in 2022. Your conclusion that it made a mint out of the pandemic is demonstrably false, and not borne out by the figures. So their PPE rip off helped their cause then. China made a frigging fortune out of PPE sales. The only one using false figures is you.
China's exports surge on hot demand for PPE, remote working tech
China dominates the pandemic PPE market. What does that mean for U.S. as virus surges?
You're accusing me of lying? data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=CN |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 3, 2023 0:30:37 GMT
How would it have been any better under starmer and his bunch of theives? We wuld have been in lockdown far longer than we were under the tories. Hypothetical Labour whataboutery doesn't excuse the Tory government losing billions of our money. PPE was in very short supply globally but needed urgently amongst stiff competition internationally, putting procurement out to tender would have triggered civil service committee meetings to decide which processes/protocols/tea/biscuits(chocolate or custard creams) /chairs etc to procure before meetings deciding whether to hold more meetings to decide who approach the NHS to count their beds / which design PPE was currently a la mode etc and who would circulate agendas ad infinitum. In short face masks meeting this weeks current standards were ordered , before delivery the NHS had changed requirements yet again and wanted behind the head bands instead of ear loops rendering the latter supposedly unusable |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 3, 2023 2:38:06 GMT
So their PPE rip off helped their cause then. China made a frigging fortune out of PPE sales. The only one using false figures is you.
China's exports surge on hot demand for PPE, remote working tech
China dominates the pandemic PPE market. What does that mean for U.S. as virus surges?
No you were accusing me. Your own link verifies my assertion. China made a fortune selling their PPE crap across the globe. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 3, 2023 2:45:54 GMT
Hypothetical Labour whataboutery doesn't excuse the Tory government losing billions of our money. PPE was in very short supply globally but needed urgently amongst stiff competition internationally, putting procurement out to tender would have triggered civil service committee meetings to decide which processes/protocols/tea/biscuits(chocolate or custard creams) /chairs etc to procure before meetings deciding whether to hold more meetings to decide who approach the NHS to count their beds / which design PPE was currently a la mode etc and who would circulate agendas ad infinitum. In short face masks meeting this weeks current standards were ordered , before delivery the NHS had changed requirements yet again and wanted behind the head bands instead of ear loops rendering the latter supposedly unusable Anyone would think listening to the left that Boris oredered all this crap.
Department of Health wasted £15bn on unused Covid supplies, watchdog finds
The DHSC’s report also disclosed that it expects to spend £319m storing and disposing of PPE which is no longer needed and is of such poor quality that it is no use to frontline staff anyway.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2023 7:40:27 GMT
I was complaining about it being spent when you were arguing for it to be spent - but that aside, the money is gone, spending another £100 million is not going to bring it back. So to sum up, your response to the Tories losing billions of our money is "meh". Your response to spending £100 million investigating losing said billions is outrage. Have I got that right? How is splashing another £100 million going to recover any of the lost billions?. If you want to be outraged I can think of cheaper ways of doing it. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 8:01:04 GMT
So to sum up, your response to the Tories losing billions of our money is "meh". Your response to spending £100 million investigating losing said billions is outrage. Have I got that right? How is splashing another £100 million going to recover any of the lost billions?. If you want to be outraged I can think of cheaper ways of doing it. It won't get the billions back but hopefully it will establish some accountability and leave us better prepared if God forbid something like that happens again. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 8:04:49 GMT
Hypothetical Labour whataboutery doesn't excuse the Tory government losing billions of our money. PPE was in very short supply globally but needed urgently amongst stiff competition internationally, putting procurement out to tender would have triggered civil service committee meetings to decide which processes/protocols/tea/biscuits(chocolate or custard creams) /chairs etc to procure before meetings deciding whether to hold more meetings to decide who approach the NHS to count their beds / which design PPE was currently a la mode etc and who would circulate agendas ad infinitum. In short face masks meeting this weeks current standards were ordered , before delivery the NHS had changed requirements yet again and wanted behind the head bands instead of ear loops rendering the latter supposedly unusable Michelle Mone got a very nice yacht though. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2023 8:23:16 GMT
How is splashing another £100 million going to recover any of the lost billions?. If you want to be outraged I can think of cheaper ways of doing it. It won't get the billions back but hopefully it will establish some accountability and leave us better prepared if God forbid something like that happens again. How is raking Boris over the coals going to prepare us for anything?. By all means be outraged, but do it on someone elses dime.. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 8:25:00 GMT
It won't get the billions back but hopefully it will establish some accountability and leave us better prepared if God forbid something like that happens again. How is raking Boris over the coals going to prepare us for anything?. By all means be outraged, but do it on someone elses dime.. Learning from his mistakes will leave a future government better prepared. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2023 8:31:01 GMT
How is raking Boris over the coals going to prepare us for anything?. By all means be outraged, but do it on someone elses dime.. Learning from his mistakes will leave a future government better prepared. No it wont because they are all agreeing about the same thing - the only disagreement is the degree. Your view is that had we locked down sooner, harder, stricter etc everything would have been fine. Well China tried that and it wasn't. Where is the review of whether lockdown was the best, most cost effective policy in the first place? Thats the trouble when you have an enquiry looking for blame rather than truth. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 8:42:19 GMT
Learning from his mistakes will leave a future government better prepared. No it wont because they are all agreeing about the same thing - the only disagreement is the degree. Your view is that had we locked down sooner, harder, stricter etc everything would have been fine. Well China tried that and it wasn't. Where is the review of whether lockdown was the best, most cost effective policy in the first place? Thats the trouble when you have an enquiry looking for blame rather than truth. I don't think I said what my view was. You seem to be focused on blame too, only making sure none of it falls on the conservative government. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 3, 2023 8:59:15 GMT
I was complaining about it being spent when you were arguing for it to be spent - but that aside, the money is gone, spending another £100 million is not going to bring it back. So to sum up, your response to the Tories losing billions of our money is "meh". Your response to spending £100 million investigating losing said billions is outrage. Have I got that right? The lefties are outraged because it wasn't them spending the billions, now they want to whinge and whine with inquiries squandering another £100million , when the finding to come out, it will conclude that the lefties needed to waste another £100million because it's only Labour who are allowed to fritter away tax payers money, how dare the Tories steal their crown. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 9:24:23 GMT
So to sum up, your response to the Tories losing billions of our money is "meh". Your response to spending £100 million investigating losing said billions is outrage. Have I got that right? The lefties are outraged because it wasn't them spending the billions, now they want to whinge and whine with inquiries squandering another £100million , when the finding to come out, it will conclude that the lefties needed to waste another £100million because it's only Labour who are allowed to fritter away tax payers money, how dare the Tories steal their crown. Seems like a long winded way of saying "yes" but each to their own. |
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