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Post by buccaneer on Nov 3, 2023 9:42:12 GMT
The lefties are outraged because it wasn't them spending the billions, now they want to whinge and whine with inquiries squandering another £100million , when the finding to come out, it will conclude that the lefties needed to waste another £100million because it's only Labour who are allowed to fritter away tax payers money, how dare the Tories steal their crown. Seems like a long winded way of saying "yes" but each to their own. Why not be upfront, you're on a witch hunt and happy to waste money in the process due to your partisan political views? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 10:04:29 GMT
Seems like a long winded way of saying "yes" but each to their own. Why not be upfront, you're on a witch hunt and happy to waste money in the process due to your partisan political views? You don't think you and the others trying to shout down any attempt to hold the conservative government to account come across as partisan? You're concern for public finances comes across as disingenuous for me given your apparently relaxed view of the Conservatives burning billions of our money. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 3, 2023 10:38:38 GMT
Why not be upfront, you're on a witch hunt and happy to waste money in the process due to your partisan political views? You don't think you and the others trying to shout down any attempt to hold the conservative government to account come across as partisan? You're concern for public finances comes across as disingenuous for me given your apparently relaxed view of the Conservatives burning billions of our money. I haven't made my opinion known in this thread, so you seem to be making assumptions here. I asked you a simple question, but you don't seem honest enough to answer it. Ho hum. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 3, 2023 10:42:40 GMT
Why not be upfront, you're on a witch hunt and happy to waste money in the process due to your partisan political views? You don't think you and the others trying to shout down any attempt to hold the conservative government to account come across as partisan? You're concern for public finances comes across as disingenuous for me given your apparently relaxed view of the Conservatives burning billions of our money. We all know the lefties stoop to any low level to score political points, they are still using dead people and their families to get a few more votes, it's utter despicable that you would use the deaths of COVID and exploit them in order to get votes, I mean how low can you go, the Tories might have fucked things up along the way, but Labour using the deaths of COVID victims and their families is nothing short of revulsion to decent people. ....... SHAME ON THEM. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 11:14:04 GMT
You don't think you and the others trying to shout down any attempt to hold the conservative government to account come across as partisan? You're concern for public finances comes across as disingenuous for me given your apparently relaxed view of the Conservatives burning billions of our money. We all know the lefties stoop to any low level to score political points, they are still using dead people and their families to get a few more votes, it's utter despicable that you would use the deaths of COVID and exploit them in order to get votes, I mean how low can you go, the Tories might have fucked things up along the way, but Labour using the deaths of COVID victims and their families is nothing short of revulsion to decent people. ....... SHAME ON THEM. I'd say Tory fuck ups that directly or indirectly led to people dying and/or profiteering from a lethal pandemic is more shameful but you do you. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 3, 2023 11:15:34 GMT
You don't think you and the others trying to shout down any attempt to hold the conservative government to account come across as partisan? You're concern for public finances comes across as disingenuous for me given your apparently relaxed view of the Conservatives burning billions of our money. I haven't made my opinion known in this thread, so you seem to be making assumptions here. I asked you a simple question, but you don't seem honest enough to answer it. Ho hum. I think your comment I replied to made your view pretty clear. No I'm not involved in a witch hunt, I would like to see some accountability. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2023 11:33:17 GMT
No it wont because they are all agreeing about the same thing - the only disagreement is the degree. Your view is that had we locked down sooner, harder, stricter etc everything would have been fine. Well China tried that and it wasn't. Where is the review of whether lockdown was the best, most cost effective policy in the first place? Thats the trouble when you have an enquiry looking for blame rather than truth. I don't think I said what my view was. You seem to be focused on blame too, only making sure none of it falls on the conservative government. and you haven't listened to a single word I said..  |
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Post by patman post on Nov 3, 2023 11:59:56 GMT
There is the view that had the UK noted the seriousness of what was happening elsewhere in Europe and locked down sooner — instead of No.10 apparently laughing at Italy's overflowing hospital wards — the UK would have had fewer deaths and possibly just one shorter lockdown.
It looks like this is one call Boris got radically wrong...
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 3, 2023 15:19:04 GMT
You don't think you and the others trying to shout down any attempt to hold the conservative government to account come across as partisan? You're concern for public finances comes across as disingenuous for me given your apparently relaxed view of the Conservatives burning billions of our money. We all know the lefties stoop to any low level to score political points, they are still using dead people and their families to get a few more votes, it's utter despicable that you would use the deaths of COVID and exploit them in order to get votes, I mean how low can you go, the Tories might have fucked things up along the way, but Labour using the deaths of COVID victims and their families is nothing short of revulsion to decent people. ....... SHAME ON THEM. I'm not bothered about mistakes. It was a new situation for us all. I do want to learn from it though, and if there is any criminal behaviour, that should be called out, if that is found. I don't think that's an unreasonable stance. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 3, 2023 15:24:33 GMT
We all know the lefties stoop to any low level to score political points, they are still using dead people and their families to get a few more votes, it's utter despicable that you would use the deaths of COVID and exploit them in order to get votes, I mean how low can you go, the Tories might have fucked things up along the way, but Labour using the deaths of COVID victims and their families is nothing short of revulsion to decent people. ....... SHAME ON THEM. I'm not bothered about mistakes. It was a new situation for us all. I do want to learn from it though, and if there is any criminal behaviour, that should be called out, if that is found. I don't think that's an unreasonable stance. Furlough was like a licence to print money.
In total, according to the latest report into the schemes by the National Audit Office, £4.5 billion – or nearly 4.6 per cent of the total cost of the government’s £96.9 billion emergency Covid-19 support – was claimed in error or in fraud.
Totally unacceptable, and doubt we will ever see that money again.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2023 17:45:32 GMT
There is the view that had the UK noted the seriousness of what was happening elsewhere in Europe and locked down sooner — instead of No.10 apparently laughing at Italy's overflowing hospital wards — the UK would have had fewer deaths and possibly just one shorter lockdown.
It looks like this is one call Boris got radically wrong...
The lockdown was the call he got radically wrong. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 3, 2023 17:50:20 GMT
There is the view that had the UK noted the seriousness of what was happening elsewhere in Europe and locked down sooner — instead of No.10 apparently laughing at Italy's overflowing hospital wards — the UK would have had fewer deaths and possibly just one shorter lockdown.
It looks like this is one call Boris got radically wrong...
The lockdown was the call he got radically wrong. Good luck if there is a next time, I doubt any one will conform to lockdowns, or wearing masks, once bitten twice shy. |
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Post by borchester on Nov 3, 2023 21:18:17 GMT
The purpose is to hear The Truth from those who worked with him. The witnesses are under oath. It is not made up of bias hunting journalists. is that true what i read that johnson allegedly asked if you could cure covid by blowing a hairdryer up your nose?  Worked for me  |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2023 22:16:14 GMT
is that true what i read that johnson allegedly asked if you could cure covid by blowing a hairdryer up your nose? Worked for me well it's no more dumb than the suggestion from that barmy Scottish woman that we should cut the top and bottom off doors to fight the virus.. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 4, 2023 13:23:15 GMT
He got the call on leaving the EU right. He also got the call on what to do about Covid right but was derailed by Sage (principally Neil Ferguson). Once Ferguson had said that hundreds of thousands would die unless we locked down Boris basically was forced to lock down, which was the wrong decision. Boris won an 80 seat majority but his problem was that the Tory party is split and he couldn't always rely on support for policies. In particular a lot of Tories didn't want to leave the EU and made life difficult for him. Also the Speaker didn't want to leave the EU and of course the Labour party didn't want to leave the EU. Given all the opposition he had it was a massive achievement for Boris to actually manage to leave - especially after Benn's Surrender Act. Long after nonsense like Partygate has been forgotten history will regard Boris as one of our greatest Prime Ministers for the act of leaving the EU alone. He was a great leader who was brought down by Leftie pygmies. One of the first estimates of the number of deaths as revealed in the covid enquiry by the expert modellers was 100 000 - 500 000. The actual figure today stands at 231,683. |
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