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Post by jonksy on Aug 29, 2023 2:55:40 GMT
What a pity nobody has the gonads to do the same in the UK.
France to ban Muslim abaya dress in state schools PARIS (Reuters) - France will ban children from wearing the abaya, the loose-fitting, full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in state-run schools, its education minister said on Sunday ahead of the back-to-school season.
Weekly cabinet meeting after a government reshuffle at the Elysee Palace in Paris
France, which has enforced a strict ban on religious signs in state schools since 19th century laws removed any traditional Catholic influence from public education, has struggled to update guidelines to deal with a growing Muslim minority.
In 2004, it banned headscarves in schools and passed a ban on full face veils in public in 2010, angering some in its five million-strong Muslim community..
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Post by wapentake on Aug 29, 2023 6:00:38 GMT
Good for them,we should do the same but won’t,the defence is always its oppressive and not a govts job to dictate what people wear.
They entirely miss the point that people are allowed freedom to worship and do as they please within the law in their homes/places of worship,they’re also quite at ease seeingareligion dictate what people wear and it’s use to oppress half of its followers.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 29, 2023 6:13:48 GMT
Good for them,we should do the same but won’t,the defence is always its oppressive and not a govts job to dictate what people wear. They entirely miss the point that people are allowed freedom to worship and do as they please within the law in their homes/places of worship,they’re also quite at ease seeingareligion dictate what people wear and it’s use to oppress half of its followers. When Western women visit Muslim countries they are forced into dressing accordingly with the Muslim culture but the Muslim population seem to think that the same does not apply to them when they visit or live in a civilised society... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 29, 2023 6:20:41 GMT
Except that we don't have a law that men can't wear a dress, so why would we want to apply it to Muslim women? You are free to wear what you like, that IS our law, so why wouldn't it apply to all?
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Post by jonksy on Aug 29, 2023 6:27:37 GMT
Except that we don't have a law that men can't wear a dress, so why would we want to apply it to Muslim women? You are free to wear what you like, that IS our law, so why wouldn't it apply to all? They can wear what they like in their own homes. So why are we expected to have them wearing bin liners in public? It is alien to western culture and they should not be allowed to hide behind a prehistoric culture. When in Rome etc. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 29, 2023 6:29:22 GMT
Except that we don't have a law that men can't wear a dress, so why would we want to apply it to Muslim women? You are free to wear what you like, that IS our law, so why wouldn't it apply to all? Because the French changed the rules which makes them a less attractive place to set up camp. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 29, 2023 6:36:38 GMT
Except that we don't have a law that men can't wear a dress, so why would we want to apply it to Muslim women? You are free to wear what you like, that IS our law, so why wouldn't it apply to all? You’re skirting the issue Andrew if you’ll excuse the pun. is this form of dress used by that religion to oppress women,it’s a simple question? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 29, 2023 7:07:20 GMT
Except that we don't have a law that men can't wear a dress, so why would we want to apply it to Muslim women? You are free to wear what you like, that IS our law, so why wouldn't it apply to all? Because the French changed the rules which makes them a less attractive place to set up camp. Completely incorrect. Secularity is written into the French constitution. It began in the 18th century as one result of the revolution in order to equalise public recognition of hierarchy in French society and to avoid creation of difference. It helps to avoid "otherness" and the greater possibility of targeting certain groups of people by their dress or other signs of faith. Of course what you do at home or your place of worship is not affected. The regulations affect largely only state buildings (like schools), town halls and courts as well as the streets. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 29, 2023 7:10:35 GMT
Because the French changed the rules which makes them a less attractive place to set up camp. Completely incorrect. Secularity is written into the French constitution. It began in the 18th century as one result of the revolution in order to equalise public recognition of hierarchy in French society and to avoid creation of difference. It helps to avoid "otherness" and the greater possibility of targeting certain groups of people by their dress or other signs of faith. Of course what you do at home or your place of worship is not affected. The regulations affect largely only state buildings (like schools), town halls and courts as well as the streets. I know all of that, it doesn't change the fact that they are banning it from now on. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 29, 2023 7:17:14 GMT
So why did you say the French changed the rules?
This is just extending the rules to cover an area previously not affected.
Nothing to do with making France more difficult for Muslims.
It actually affects very few children. Most already dress like everyone else.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 29, 2023 7:19:32 GMT
So why did you say the French changed the rules? This is just extending the rules to cover an area previously not affected. Nothing to do with making France more difficult for Muslims. It actually affects very few children. Most already dress like everyone else. Because they have, they are now banning it as in it wasn't banned before. Which for anybody with an iota of sense could work it out for themselves, as in something not previously banned is now banned we changed the rules. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 29, 2023 8:08:27 GMT
Except that we don't have a law that men can't wear a dress, so why would we want to apply it to Muslim women? You are free to wear what you like, that IS our law, so why wouldn't it apply to all? We are free to wear what we like because we live in a liberal western democracy. A quick anecdote: We exited the aircraft in the stinking dustbowl of Dhahran and were ushered into a hangar where we were read the riot act - you are Christians in an Islamic country, you must at all times observe their customs their traditions and their way of life, etc etc. The list of things we must never do was lengthy and included never ever approach or speak to a woman. Fair enough we thought, their country their rules. But what pisses me off, a lot, is the fact that we still have to bend over backwards to appease Muslims in this non Islamic country. Many Muslims make absolutely no attempt to rub along, even though they choose to live here they openly criticise the western way of life and openly demand sharia for the UK because they know, thanks to lefties, we are weak appeasers. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 29, 2023 8:34:35 GMT
Lets make a special effort to appear Grown Up and call France France.
you are right Red, we are lucky to live in a liberal Western Democracy. That means we are allowed to think and (in the vast majority of cases) say what we want. Its a great freedom to have which makes us a better place to live than many other countries. That means of course that if a small number of people wish to call for Sharia Law they are perfectly at liberty to do so. The rest of us are perfectly at liberty to ignore them. Its how a Liberal Democracy works.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 29, 2023 8:37:18 GMT
Completely incorrect. Secularity is written into the French constitution. It began in the 18th century as one result of the revolution in order to equalise public recognition of hierarchy in French society and to avoid creation of difference. It helps to avoid "otherness" and the greater possibility of targeting certain groups of people by their dress or other signs of faith. Of course what you do at home or your place of worship is not affected. The regulations affect largely only state buildings (like schools), town halls and courts as well as the streets. I know all of that, it doesn't change the fact that they are banning it from now on. Make up your oswn mind. I dont care what you decide. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 29, 2023 8:42:37 GMT
Lets make a special effort to appear Grown Up and call France France. you are right Red, we are lucky to live in a liberal Western Democracy. That means we are allowed to think and (in the vast majority of cases) say what we want. Its a great freedom to have which makes us a better place to live than many other countries. That means of course that if a small number of people wish to call for Sharia Law they are perfectly at liberty to do so. The rest of us are perfectly at liberty to ignore them. Its how a Liberal Democracy works. Oh so you wouldn't object to them having their hands cut off for theft or public whipping of women for their supposed impropriety in or out of wedlock being carried out in the civilised world. |
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