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Post by Vinny on Aug 25, 2023 9:48:22 GMT
What is there to understand?
She murdered babies.
Punish her.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 25, 2023 9:56:29 GMT
Standard drunken Rackham response when even he recognises his final rational argument has imploded…. You can mark the switch from beer to whisky by the tone of the posts. As it happens, the decanter never made an appearance last evening but yes, I certainly had a few beers. The thing is, today in the cold light of sobriety my opinion has not changed, and you and Dappy are still deluded lefties. Who'd a thunk it, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 10:17:48 GMT
We rehabilitate thieves, junkies, people who have committed forgivable crimes once their sentence is served and we help them get jobs so they do not reoffend. But mass murderers we keep in prison for the rest of their lives and there is no need for their stay to be a pleasant one. Their victims have no such luxury. Their victims can't watch television. Their victims can't play games. The Victorians were right. You do understand though Vinny the mind is so complex that it’s still not fully understood. If you then though understand that people do perhaps the worst of crimes because their mind is not functioning normally. It appears as evil behaviour,there are cases when people have suffered a brain injury which has changed the way they behaved before,the comparison I'm trying to make here is if somebody suffers a physical injury no one would contemplate punishing them if they could no longer function as a normal member of society if somebody’s mind is injured sure isolate them if they are a danger to society but there’s no need to make their lives as unpleasant as possible,doing that is Victorian values. You should also know that the mentally ill are in general more at risk from the rest of society than vice versa. Your argument suggests that murdering and incurable psychopaths are better off removed from society altogether. Even in detention they are a high risk to others, although in Letby's case, she seems the cowardly murderer, not the strong armed one who will attack the wardens. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 25, 2023 10:49:59 GMT
You do understand though Vinny the mind is so complex that it’s still not fully understood. If you then though understand that people do perhaps the worst of crimes because their mind is not functioning normally. It appears as evil behaviour,there are cases when people have suffered a brain injury which has changed the way they behaved before,the comparison I'm trying to make here is if somebody suffers a physical injury no one would contemplate punishing them if they could no longer function as a normal member of society if somebody’s mind is injured sure isolate them if they are a danger to society but there’s no need to make their lives as unpleasant as possible,doing that is Victorian values. You should also know that the mentally ill are in general more at risk from the rest of society than vice versa. Even in detention they are a high risk to others, although in Letby's case, she seems the cowardly murderer, not the strong armed one who will attack the wardens. Correct,for the protection of society. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Aug 25, 2023 12:35:32 GMT
You can mark the switch from beer to whisky by the tone of the posts. As it happens, the decanter never made an appearance last evening but yes, I certainly had a few beers. The thing is, today in the cold light of sobriety my opinion has not changed, and you and Dappy are still deluded lefties. Who'd a thunk it, lol. Thing is, your opinion hasn't changed since opposing the Gladstone committee on prison reform. One more morning of hangover and remorse was hardly going to do it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 25, 2023 17:42:27 GMT
Punishment seems rather popular..
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Post by wapentake on Aug 25, 2023 19:30:26 GMT
Punishment seems rather popular.. Does it? How nice and how fortunate it was that it wasn’t law for Stefan Kiszco,some Irish people who’d done sod all wrong and there are others. I guarantee if this place had been up and running when Andrew Malkinson was convicted of a rape he didn’t do there’d have been a thread calling for him to be subject to the worst of treatment,now people are up in arms at what happened to him. Funny old world. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 20:22:50 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 25, 2023 21:49:55 GMT
Monte, the death penalty was abolished (For most capital crimes) in 1969, yet you claim the death penalty is not a deterrent which suggests present tense. I said the death penalty was not designed to be a deterrent, which is perfectly accurate. It was designed to be a punishment, as is prison. Unfortunately in my opinion, prison today is far from the austere regime it was as little as fifty or sixty years ago. Prison today holds little or no fear for repeat offenders which is why recidivism is so high. It's not a deterrent in the countries that have it. It's just an expensive folly. Decades of ''bleeding heart lefty lawyers'' with their endless appeals at the tax payer's expense. Just so that a few ghouls can have their revenge. No thanks. Absolute rubbish. Singapore has capital punishment. Singapore has very strong legal system that works well as deterent. So well in fact, crime is low and society is safe. citizens and visitors can roam around freely night and day in Singapore and be and feel safe, the same cannot be said for the UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 26, 2023 6:30:12 GMT
Punishment seems rather popular.. Not amongst the limp wristed lefties. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 29, 2023 13:28:38 GMT
Not just revenge, deterrent so the next would be killer can see what would await them. Rest of life in a luxury prison, isn't a deterrent. If some one is mentally ill that will not deter. Ok humour me, i don’t know i haven’t read or heard anything but has part of the summing up process accepted there are issues with her mental state ? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 29, 2023 13:48:01 GMT
I do not want to 'wring' anyone's neck. However, in cases where there is no question of guilt the judge should have the option of donning the black cap. And I’m not a handwringing lefty but like a lot of the civilised world reject capital punishment. then i say we should all be sent a leaflet with our next electoral registration document asking if we are in favour of hanging and ONLY those who say NO should be asked to foot the what would it be now £60k a year to keep her Because that’s my take. The cost of keeping the miserable shit alive isn’t warranted. Newport Council built a set of ‘pods’ (actually pre fabricated living spaces that look like a terrace of one bed maisonettes) on some brownfield site up a hill from the city centre and according to their budget statements it seems they can house and provide an on call support worker and warden for FOUR homeless people who want to find a way to start over for what it costs to keep this piece of shit breathing. I’m convinced beyond reasonable doubt she did it I’d happily rope her up and pull the lever if i was asked to and lose no sleep over it WHATSOEVER Why ? because as i said in a quite different thread i helped my brother with his firstborn’s coffin after the sudden infant death and it is such a tiny white box and such a deep, deep hole and all i’d be thinking about as i pulled the lever was all the parents of her victims who had to do what we had to, but not for the reason we had to which is bad enough, but because someone unspeakably evil killed them for the fun of it. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 29, 2023 15:25:32 GMT
And I’m not a handwringing lefty but like a lot of the civilised world reject capital punishment. then i say we should all be sent a leaflet with our next electoral registration document asking if we are in favour of hanging and ONLY those who say NO should be asked to foot the what would it be now £60k a year to keep her Because that’s my take. The cost of keeping the miserable shit alive isn’t warranted. Newport Council built a set of ‘pods’ (actually pre fabricated living spaces that look like a terrace of one bed maisonettes) on some brownfield site up a hill from the city centre and according to their budget statements it seems they can house and provide an on call support worker and warden for FOUR homeless people who want to find a way to start over for what it costs to keep this piece of shit breathing. I’m convinced beyond reasonable doubt she did it I’d happily rope her up and pull the lever if i was asked to and lose no sleep over it WHATSOEVER Why ? because as i said in a quite different thread i helped my brother with his firstborn’s coffin after the sudden infant death and it is such a tiny white box and such a deep, deep hole and all i’d be thinking about as i pulled the lever was all the parents of her victims who had to do what we had to, but not for the reason we had to which is bad enough, but because someone unspeakably evil killed them for the fun of it. Well John people were convinced that Stefan Kiszco murdered Lesley Molseed so presumably you’d have happily pulled the lever and hanged him? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 29, 2023 15:39:42 GMT
then i say we should all be sent a leaflet with our next electoral registration document asking if we are in favour of hanging and ONLY those who say NO should be asked to foot the what would it be now £60k a year to keep her Because that’s my take. The cost of keeping the miserable shit alive isn’t warranted. Newport Council built a set of ‘pods’ (actually pre fabricated living spaces that look like a terrace of one bed maisonettes) on some brownfield site up a hill from the city centre and according to their budget statements it seems they can house and provide an on call support worker and warden for FOUR homeless people who want to find a way to start over for what it costs to keep this piece of shit breathing. I’m convinced beyond reasonable doubt she did it I’d happily rope her up and pull the lever if i was asked to and lose no sleep over it WHATSOEVER Why ? because as i said in a quite different thread i helped my brother with his firstborn’s coffin after the sudden infant death and it is such a tiny white box and such a deep, deep hole and all i’d be thinking about as i pulled the lever was all the parents of her victims who had to do what we had to, but not for the reason we had to which is bad enough, but because someone unspeakably evil killed them for the fun of it. Well John people were convinced that Stefan Kiszco murdered Lesley Molseed so presumably you’d have happily pulled the lever and hanged him? i don’t actually know who either of those people are. From my former occupation i know rather a lot about the abysmal handling of several forensic cases and the utter failure to even discipline the twats responsible. Since you ask, If i bothered to review the evidence (which i wont because you’ve clearly picked a dodgy one) and i came to the same conclusion that having reviewed the evidence as a holder of the forensic science service’s certification to act as an expert witness and charge the earth for it i was again convinced not to the civil tort standard of the balance of probabilities but the criminal one of beyond reasonable doubt, then yup. Down the drop they go I’m guessing you’ve never had to attend a murder trial and watch the cack handed bewigged twats dance around a set of increasingly ludicrous postulations ? Ironically the one bloke i would not be terribly happy to hang is the one who has threatened to kill my eldest and everyone else who went in the witness box. If he wasn’t so terminally aggressive about being convicted of rape, murder and child destruction i would be happy to point out to officials there was someone else in the house 30 minutes before the killing was supposed to have taken place and despite the police being told this by two different people the prosecuting brief didn't want to know and the defence didn’t either. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 29, 2023 15:49:22 GMT
Well John people were convinced that Stefan Kiszco murdered Lesley Molseed so presumably you’d have happily pulled the lever and hanged him? From my former occupation i know rather a lot about the abysmal handling of several forensic cases and the utter failure to even discipline the twats responsible. Since you ask, If i bothered to review the evidence (which i wont because you’ve clearly picked a dodgy one) and i came to the same conclusion that having reviewed the evidence as a holder of the forensic science service’s certification to act as an expert witness and charge the earth for it i was again convinced not to the civil tort standard of the balance of probabilities but the criminal one of beyond reasonable doubt, then yup. Down the drop they go I’m guessing you’ve never had to attend a murder trial and watch the cack handed bewigged twats dance around a set of increasingly ludicrous postulations ? Ironically the one bloke i would not be terribly happy to hang is the one who has threatened to kill my eldest and everyone else who went in the witness box. If he wasn’t so terminally aggressive about being convicted of rape, murder and child destruction i would be happy to point out to officials there was someone else in the house 30 minutes before the killing was supposed to have taken place and despite the police being told this by two different people the prosecuting brief didn't want to know and the defence didn’t either. Lesley Molseed was a child murdered,Stefan Kiszco was a man of limited intelligence held by police who told him if he didn’t sign a confession they’d batter him and said if he did he could go home. The rest is history en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_MolseedBtw John I’m not clear Lucy Letby is guilt or innocent,I do though have misgivings she’s convicted on purely circumstantial evidence,why you are convinced based on that I don’t know. |
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