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Post by Vinny on Aug 24, 2023 9:39:55 GMT
If someone is just evil, it might.
And I believe Lucy Letby is simply evil.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 24, 2023 9:49:36 GMT
If someone is just evil, it might. And I believe Lucy Letby is simply evil. You can believe what you like Vinny it’s a free society (to a point) but if she has done what they say then she’s mentally ill. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 9:56:02 GMT
Not just revenge, deterrent so the next would be killer can see what would await them. Rest of life in a luxury prison, isn't a deterrent. If some one is mentally ill that will not deter. If? She's obviously a total nutcase. So what? Her actions were cold and calculated. What you call mentally ill was just plain evil once upon a time. Some people are just born that way. They usually start by torturing animals. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 24, 2023 9:58:48 GMT
I've been inside two prisons - as a volunteer not as a resident. They were very different in terms of condition and decor. Each time when the gate shuts a chill goes down my spine. Bloody awful places. I can't imagine what it must feel like knowing you will be there for a couple of years let alone, possibly, rest of life. Don't believe populist tabloids stirring up outrage. Prisons are horrible.
Clearly Letby's crimes are unfathomable. Its hard to imagine how the bereaved parents can ever fully recover.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 24, 2023 10:00:07 GMT
If some one is mentally ill that will not deter. If? She's obviously a total nutcase. So what? Her actions were cold and calculated. What you call mentally ill was just plain evil once upon a time. Some people are just born that way. They usually start by torturing animals. Yes IF,the evidence against her is circumstantial and very sketchy imo. If she has done it then she is mentally ill and as you say once upon a time we called it evil,we’ve come some way since then. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 10:07:54 GMT
If? She's obviously a total nutcase. So what? Her actions were cold and calculated. What you call mentally ill was just plain evil once upon a time. Some people are just born that way. They usually start by torturing animals. Yes IF,the evidence against her is circumstantial and very sketchy imo. If she has done it then she is mentally ill and as you say once upon a time we called it evil,we’ve come some way since then. Well, I still call it evil. Somebody murdering babies is evil. I'm sorry if that doesn't meet your evolved sensibilities, but I can't see anyway around it. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 24, 2023 10:10:26 GMT
Yes IF,the evidence against her is circumstantial and very sketchy imo. If she has done it then she is mentally ill and as you say once upon a time we called it evil,we’ve come some way since then. Well, I still call it evil. Somebody murdering babies is evil. I'm sorry if that doesn't meet your evolved sensibilities, but I can't see anyway around it. Why be sorry I’m not sorry I believe differently? Would you prefer her executed? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 10:21:54 GMT
Well, I still call it evil. Somebody murdering babies is evil. I'm sorry if that doesn't meet your evolved sensibilities, but I can't see anyway around it. Why be sorry I’m not sorry I believe differently? Would you prefer her executed? That there is no evil or evil and mental illness are mutually exclusive? I never mentioned execution. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 24, 2023 10:23:47 GMT
Why be sorry I’m not sorry I believe differently? Would you prefer her executed? That there is no evil or evil and mental illness are mutually exclusive? I never mentioned execution. I didn’t say you did,I asked a question? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 24, 2023 11:03:51 GMT
Would you prefer a cess filled cell with cockroaches in it for her, Red? As we abandoned the death penalty and hard labour, this is what we have instead. She could stitch a few mailbags. No, I do not think she should be incarcerated in a cess filled cell, although many people do. And since you mention the death penalty, if ever there was a case for bringing it back then surely, this is it. She and people like her should not be incarcerated in relaxed comfortable conditions. She is not just a mass murderer, she's the worst kind of mass murderer, she murdered and maimed babies and we may never know how many. At the very least she should be incarcerated under a very strict regime in very austere conditions. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 24, 2023 11:11:50 GMT
Would you prefer a cess filled cell with cockroaches in it for her, Red? As we abandoned the death penalty and hard labour, this is what we have instead. She could stitch a few mailbags. No, I do not think she should be incarcerated in a cess filled cell, although many people do. And since you mention the death penalty, if ever there was a case for bringing it back then surely, this is it. She and people like her should not be incarcerated in relaxed comfortable conditions. She is not just a mass murderer, she's the worst kind of mass murderer, she murdered and maimed babies and we may never know how many. At the very least she should be incarcerated under a very strict regime in very austere conditions. Is it? Why to make you feel better and what if someone is then proved to be innocent? Shrug your shoulders and say these things happen. In any event capital punishment doesn’t work and belongs in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 11:21:06 GMT
No, I do not think she should be incarcerated in a cess filled cell, although many people do. And since you mention the death penalty, if ever there was a case for bringing it back then surely, this is it. She and people like her should not be incarcerated in relaxed comfortable conditions. She is not just a mass murderer, she's the worst kind of mass murderer, she murdered and maimed babies and we may never know how many. At the very least she should be incarcerated under a very strict regime in very austere conditions. Is it? Why to make you feel better and what if someone is then proved to be innocent? Shrug your shoulders and say these things happen. In any event capital punishment doesn’t work and belongs in the past. Capital punishment works perfectly well and this specific case seems to fit the punishment. The problem with this punishment is the system behind it, where, in some cases, convictions can and will rely on witness testimony alone without any further evidence. Innocent people will be wrongly executed. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 24, 2023 11:21:32 GMT
Well, I still call it evil. Somebody murdering babies is evil. I'm sorry if that doesn't meet your evolved sensibilities, but I can't see anyway around it. Why be sorry I’m not sorry I believe differently? Would you prefer her executed? If we still had capital punishment I'd tie the noose around her neck myself. We put down incurably dangerous dogs. Why not incurably dangerous murderers? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 24, 2023 11:28:16 GMT
Is it? Why to make you feel better and what if someone is then proved to be innocent? Shrug your shoulders and say these things happen. In any event capital punishment doesn’t work and belongs in the past. Capital punishment works perfectly well and this specific case seems to fit the punishment. The problem with this punishment is the system behind it, where, in some cases, convictions can and will rely on witness testimony alone without any further evidence. Innocent people will be wrongly executed. No it doesn’t,you do know the evidence in her case is at best based on circumstance,as for witness statements “I came in and she was staring in to space” |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 24, 2023 11:30:18 GMT
No, I do not think she should be incarcerated in a cess filled cell, although many people do. And since you mention the death penalty, if ever there was a case for bringing it back then surely, this is it. She and people like her should not be incarcerated in relaxed comfortable conditions. She is not just a mass murderer, she's the worst kind of mass murderer, she murdered and maimed babies and we may never know how many. At the very least she should be incarcerated under a very strict regime in very austere conditions. Is it? Why to make you feel better and what if someone is then proved to be innocent? Shrug your shoulders and say these things happen. In any event capital punishment doesn’t work and belongs in the past. You think at some point in the future Letby may be proved innocent? I suspect you didn't follow the case all that closely. Or, you have a very flimsy grip on reality. |
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