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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2023 8:08:26 GMT
Haven't seen a thread anywhere on this. Apols if there is one.
So this lady has pretty much given up on being an MP - she hasn't been to parliament in months nor is she doing her job in her constituency. She continues though to draw a salary from the public purse and appears to be throwing a mega strop at not being given the opportunity to continue to be subsidized by the public purse while doing little in the Lords.
There appears to be a move going on to find some historical precedent for kicking her out as an MP.
If important to you, she is of course a prominent backer of Johnson.
I'm torn on this one. clearly her behaviour is outrageous but not sure I would want some body regulating how an MP goes about their job nor do I want MPs threatened with losing their jobs outside of general elections if they take up an unpopular cause they believe in.
Thoughts
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 7, 2023 8:16:31 GMT
Haven't seen a thread anywhere on this. Apols if there is one. So this lady has pretty much given up on being an MP - she hasn't been to parliament in months nor is she doing her job in her constituency. She continues though to draw a salary from the public purse and appears to be throwing a mega strop at not being given the opportunity to continue to be subsidized by the public purse while doing little in the Lords. There appears to be a move going on to find some historical precedent for kicking her out as an MP. If important to you, she is of course a prominent backer of Johnson. I'm torn on this one. clearly her behaviour is outrageous but not sure I would want some body regulating how an MP goes about their job nor do I want MPs threatened with losing their jobs outside of general elections if they take up an unpopular cause they believe in. Thoughts She's a victim of the unelected establishment, just like Johnson, Raab, Adams, Patel, anyone who supports Brexit in any way shape or form is ousted by the remoaner inner-chamber. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2023 9:35:20 GMT
It was interesting to see whether the "Trumpian" partizanship would be on view here. can you imagine how long a thread would already be if the MP behaving badly had been a Labour MP.
Somehow we have to break the partizanship a little and recognise that people on our side of the political debate can behave badly and those on the other side can be decent people. If we don't we will give license to our politicians too behave appallingly.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 7, 2023 9:52:33 GMT
Think there's a lot of truth in that Dappy.
I imagine what this forum would be like if we banned the phrases "the left", "the right" and "the woke". Probably a rather more interesting debate.
There are of course people in all parties with integrity, and people in all parties who aren't. I've got a lot of time here for Andy Street, he has some integrity.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 7, 2023 10:04:27 GMT
For once I agree with you two.
All parties have their bad apples.
Nadine Dorries should either do the job she's elected to or fuck off, call a by election and let someone else do it.
All she's doing now is guaranteeing the Tories lose that seat due to pissed off voters and giving the rivals ammunition against her party.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 7, 2023 10:04:46 GMT
Think there's a lot of truth in that Dappy. I imagine what this forum would be like if we banned the phrases "the left", "the right" and "the woke". Probably a rather more interesting debate. There are of course people in all parties with integrity, and people in all parties who aren't. I've got a lot of time here for Andy Street, he has some integrity. We don't want to ban phrases and cancel people out, be them left or right, is that your solution?
If it is then you are a true lefty, because that's exactly what they want to do, cancel/ban anyone who doesn't conform to their agenda. No we don't do what the banks have to to Farage and the likes, cancel them, if you don't join us we'll just ban or cancel you.... yeah way to go andrew.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 7, 2023 10:11:14 GMT
But you're just making Dappy's point that people are just trying to turn everything into left or right, which is exactly what you've just done. The question is, regardless of left or right perspective, has Nadine Dorries behaved in a fit and proper manner in representing her constituents. And to follow, if no, what options should be open. Personally I think that there should be a recall option for the voters, without the triggering by parliament, and let the voters decide.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2023 10:46:45 GMT
If you allow recall elections by voters then it would cause chaos - it would be like the Brexit vote where half the electorate dont accept the result and fight tooth and nail for the next 5 years for a re-run.
If the voters dont like what she has done then they are free to vote her out at the next GE.
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2023 10:56:48 GMT
I have some sympathy for Pacifico's view that universal right to recall has its own problems. In probably over half of the seats at the last election, the winning MP got less than 50% of the vote. Given the decline in popularity of the Tories, probably even more of their MPs would currently be less than 50%. You surely can't have a recall with out due cause.
In Dorries case she appears to have abandoned her constituency and her responsibilities. Its not fair that her constituents should have no MP representing them for an extended period against their will.
Then you have the Sinn Fein MPs who don't take up their seats so those constituents are not being represented either. But then they knew that would be the case but still chose them.
Its complicated. Maybe the answer is to allow a committee of MPs (say 6 MPs + the speaker) to consider ordering by-elections for badly behaving MPs but only with 5 of 7 of the committee support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 11:06:04 GMT
Accountability is the key word on this topic
As with all MPs, whether Left or Right, they are all accountable first and foremost to the people who elected them to the position they hold, with all the perks and salary that comes with it.
Nadine Dorries is not doing her job, she's not representing her constituents and I believe that there has to be a By-Election.
Why wont Rishi Sunak do something ?
Answer = Because he doesnt want another by election
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2023 11:08:36 GMT
What do you want Rishi Sunak to do? Not everything is in the PM gift. To be fair he has been quite vocal criticising Dorries. Not everything is a party political tribal issue
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Post by Vinny on Aug 7, 2023 12:26:21 GMT
But you're just making Dappy's point that people are just trying to turn everything into left or right, which is exactly what you've just done. The question is, regardless of left or right perspective, has Nadine Dorries behaved in a fit and proper manner in representing her constituents. And to follow, if no, what options should be open. Personally I think that there should be a recall option for the voters, without the triggering by parliament, and let the voters decide. Fair. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 7, 2023 12:30:33 GMT
If you allow recall elections by voters then it would cause chaos - it would be like the Brexit vote where half the electorate dont accept the result and fight tooth and nail for the next 5 years for a re-run. If the voters dont like what she has done then they are free to vote her out at the next GE. There was one in Scotland to get rid of that Covid spreading muck bag. Recall votes to get rid of crooked MPs are a good idea. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2023 17:18:05 GMT
If you allow recall elections by voters then it would cause chaos - it would be like the Brexit vote where half the electorate dont accept the result and fight tooth and nail for the next 5 years for a re-run. If the voters dont like what she has done then they are free to vote her out at the next GE. There was one in Scotland to get rid of that Covid spreading muck bag. Recall votes to get rid of crooked MPs are a good idea. That was because she met one of the criteria for allowing a recall election. MPs can be recalled under three circumstances: Conviction in the UK of any offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained, after all appeals have been exhausted. Note – a sentence over 12 months in jail automatically disqualifies someone from being an MP; Suspension from the House following report and recommended sanction from the Committee on Standards for a specified period (at least 10 sitting days, or at least 14 days if sitting days are not specified); Convicted of an offence under section 10 of the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009 (making false or misleading Parliamentary allowances claims). Note – the sentence does not have to be custodial for this condition. There are no sanctions for an MP who is not doing their job. As was pointed out earlier, SF/IRA MP's have never attended Parliament but if that is who their voters want to elect it's nobody elses business. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2023 21:33:30 GMT
The question is what should happen to MPs who told their voters at the election that they would be active representing them but then lost interest half way through. Should they be forced out or is that just tough for the constituents?
Does your answer change if the MP concerned happens to be Labour instead of Tory?
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