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Post by dappy on Aug 8, 2023 13:05:32 GMT
Of course.
So in this case, do you think that Dorries, perhaps fairly close to you politically, has acted badly?
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 8, 2023 13:35:58 GMT
Going off on a tangent slightly, but still on Dorries..
Over the years I've written to many MP's and ministers, the replies are usually long often rambling and rarely answer the question. Typical politicians. However Nadine Dorries is the exception.
I wrote to her and let her know what I thought of her criticism of Jimmy Carr, you may remember he made a joke about pikeys and the holocaust which the audience thought was hilarious, but inevitably some people thought was in poor taste, which is fair enough. The reply I received from Nadine was like no reply I had ever received from any politician. It was short sharp and ill tempered, essentially she told me to get stuffed. And I'll be honest, it made a refreshing change to get an honest reply from a politician.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 14:20:37 GMT
Going off on a tangent slightly, but still on Dorries.. Over the years I've written to many MP's and ministers, the replies are usually long often rambling and rarely answer the question. Typical politicians. However Nadine Dorries is the exception. I wrote to her and let her know what I thought of her criticism of Jimmy Carr, you may remember he made a joke about pikeys and the holocaust which the audience thought was hilarious, but inevitably some people thought was in poor taste, which is fair enough. The reply I received from Nadine was like no reply I had ever received from any politician. It was short sharp and ill tempered, essentially she told me to get stuffed. And I'll be honest, it made a refreshing change to get an honest reply from a politician. We'd all like to do that, now and again, RR, but it's against the forum rules.  Unfortunately, Mad Nad's mouth is a great deal larger than her brain, and her resignation as MP was a load of old waffle. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 8, 2023 14:41:40 GMT
Going off on a tangent slightly, but still on Dorries.. Over the years I've written to many MP's and ministers, the replies are usually long often rambling and rarely answer the question. Typical politicians. However Nadine Dorries is the exception. I wrote to her and let her know what I thought of her criticism of Jimmy Carr, you may remember he made a joke about pikeys and the holocaust which the audience thought was hilarious, but inevitably some people thought was in poor taste, which is fair enough. The reply I received from Nadine was like no reply I had ever received from any politician. It was short sharp and ill tempered, essentially she told me to get stuffed. And I'll be honest, it made a refreshing change to get an honest reply from a politician. We'd all like to do that, now and again, RR, but it's against the forum rules. Unfortunately, Mad Nad's mouth is a great deal larger than her brain, and her resignation as MP was a load of old waffle. If you mean you would like to tell 'me' to get stuffed, please be my guest. Fire away, I will not become all offended of that you can be sure. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 8, 2023 14:45:15 GMT
"Stuffed" is a big long word with no less than seven letters, Red. Would you understand it if he did? You are a GB Newswatcher after all.....
Meanwhile any view on your hero's best chum's disgraceful behaviour?
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 8, 2023 14:59:44 GMT
You have neglected to say whether in your opinion Dorries current behaviour is acceptable or not. I dont particularly care - she is not my MP. There are a few other MP's who I would like to see booted out for unacceptable behaviour before Dorries though - Corbyn for his support of the IRA, Grant Shapps for his Net Zero nonsense and Dianne Abbott for racism.. but they were elected by their constituencies and it's not up to me. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 9, 2023 8:04:24 GMT
What are you dribbling on about now? - I dont support this useless shower. Here is an old list of MP's attendance records - many fail to attend 50% of the votes in Parliament so is your idea that all those who do not turn up at some arbitrary amount be subjected to recall? MPs and Lords attendence and votingThere could be many reasonable reasons why mps dont attend parliament at various times. The point about mad nadine is she is deliberately not doing her job apprently out of a fit of pique due to having her peerage blocked.
When someone deliberately isnt doing her job out of spite , then surely even you see its a bad reflection on a so called functioning demcoracy when parliament doesnt have a mechanism to immediately remove the individual.
Im not sure of too many other jobs where this would happen without immediate sacking.
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Post by thomas on Aug 9, 2023 8:09:28 GMT
thomas local All the other parties will naturally wish to stir up with calls to resign, but if you take the Tory councillors, in fact not just the Tory councillors but the whole 61 candidates the Conservatives fielded in this year's Central Bedfordshire Council elections, then Nadine Dorries gained her position by achieving significantly more votes than the whole 61 of them could amass when totalled together. Now if Dorries was telling Bedford Town Council to stand down, it might well be significant, but I doubt the majority of the people of Bedford could name a single town councillor. Rishi is the reason Dorries is in the Commons at the moment and not in the Lords ...... and now he has the gall to complain about it. im aware of that hutchyns. I was simply repsonding to a question pacifico asked , and gave a few examples like sunak and this council.
sure , once agin i know this, but we are delving into another sore matter in uk politics.....where we have went form hereditary peerages , to prime ministers stacking the lords with their mates .without commenting on the individual dorries case , or why sunak is blocking her , surely you see this is a democratic outrage that needs nipped in the bud?
The uk lords is now the second biggest legisalture in the entire world , full of has beens malcontents and idiots of so little consequence like michelle mone that its beyond parody they are allowed to sit in it.
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Post by thomas on Aug 9, 2023 8:15:50 GMT
Eh? The tories were vocal and loud about the recall of margaret ferrier , but either silent or apologetic regarding dorries?
seems a bit like double standards to me.
You cannot even begin to compare the two Dorries has not broken any Parliamentary Rules as far as I am aware , if she has then that is for Parliament to deal with, on the other hand Farrier, was arrested by Police Scotland and charged for " culpable and reckless conduct " in relation to breaching Covid Regulations, she pleaded guilty as charged back in August last year, sentenced to 270 hours of Community Service. Because of that earlier this year the Commons Select Committee on Standards recommended 30 days suspension from the House , she appealed against their decision which she lost, the independent panel decided she "acted with blatant and deliberant dishonest intent totally reckless to the public, colleagues, and Staff of the House of Commons, totally selfish putting her own interests above the public interest. Due to the suspicion of 30 days it triggered a recall petition for her constituents in Scotland to decide and vote on 15% of them decided her fate and a by election was called, she did not seek re-election, she brought about her own downfall, not Westminster you cant handyman. Ferrier was stupid and deserved her punishment. We all know this. Of course once again , silence on covid charlies case , though , while we are throwing self righteous mud at ferrier , where charlie went from london to balmoral , with covid , infected his staff , and people in the north east of scotland , yet the law remained unexplicably silent.?
Im still non the wiser why people can be self righteous about ferrier , silent about covid charlie , and attempt to brush mad nadines actions of deliberately not doing her job under the carpet?
If you cant see the double standards and hypocrisy then we may as well stop trying to have a conversation on the matter.
The laws of any democracy should be equal free and fair and apply to all , instead of snp mps. Ferrier deseved what she got . Charlie should have got similar treatement but didnt , and the wonder is why there is no law that can immediately remove dorries for not doing her job.
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Post by thomas on Aug 9, 2023 8:23:42 GMT
You have neglected to say whether in your opinion Dorries current behaviour is acceptable or not. I dont particularly care - she is not my MP. There are a few other MP's who I would like to see booted out for unacceptable behaviour before Dorries though - Corbyn for his support of the IRA, Grant Shapps for his Net Zero nonsense and Dianne Abbott for racism.. but they were elected by their constituencies and it's not up to me. you are bothered enough about other mps to lambast them for views or unacceptable behaviour who arent your own mp , but not dorries? Seems a pathetic sideswerve to me.
You are conflating different issues though. Three invidual mps you mention who you dont agree with their views. so what? I dont agree with the majority of people in that parliament , but i dont want them removed for holding views contrary to my own.
We are talking about someone deliberately not doing her job , irrespective of her views , and how that should be an immediate sacking under rules , but isnt.
Im not aware of other jobs where you could get away with this . Saying its fine to get elected , then refuse to do your job for the next five years till consituents remove you is a nonsense. Dorries is making a fool of your parliament and very democracy , which surely even you see is above party politics?
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 9, 2023 10:54:54 GMT
I dont particularly care - she is not my MP. There are a few other MP's who I would like to see booted out for unacceptable behaviour before Dorries though - Corbyn for his support of the IRA, Grant Shapps for his Net Zero nonsense and Dianne Abbott for racism.. but they were elected by their constituencies and it's not up to me. you are bothered enough about other mps to lambast them for views or unacceptable behaviour who arent your own mp , but not dorries? Seems a pathetic sideswerve to me.
You are conflating different issues though. Three invidual mps you mention who you dont agree with their views. so what? I dont agree with the majority of people in that parliament , but i dont want them removed for holding views contrary to my own.
We are talking about someone deliberately not doing her job , irrespective of her views , and how that should be an immediate sacking under rules , but isnt.
Im not aware of other jobs where you could get away with this . Saying its fine to get elected , then refuse to do your job for the next five years till consituents remove you is a nonsense. Dorries is making a fool of your parliament and very democracy , which surely even you see is above party politics?
Her only job is to represent her constituents - and only her constituents can decide whether they are happy or not with that representation. With your argument we would have sacked the following MP's years ago. Michelle Gildernew, MP for Fermanagh and South Tyrone Órfhlaith Begley, MP for West Tyrone Francie Molloy, MP for Mid Ulster Mickey Brady, MP for Newry and Armagh Paul Maskey, MP for Belfast West Chris Hazzard, MP for South Down John Finucane, MP for Belfast North |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 9, 2023 10:57:52 GMT
Going off on a tangent slightly, but still on Dorries.. Over the years I've written to many MP's and ministers, the replies are usually long often rambling and rarely answer the question. Typical politicians. However Nadine Dorries is the exception. I wrote to her and let her know what I thought of her criticism of Jimmy Carr, you may remember he made a joke about pikeys and the holocaust which the audience thought was hilarious, but inevitably some people thought was in poor taste, which is fair enough. The reply I received from Nadine was like no reply I had ever received from any politician. It was short sharp and ill tempered, essentially she told me to get stuffed. And I'll be honest, it made a refreshing change to get an honest reply from a politician. Lol |
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2023 7:16:59 GMT
you are bothered enough about other mps to lambast them for views or unacceptable behaviour who arent your own mp , but not dorries? Seems a pathetic sideswerve to me.
You are conflating different issues though. Three invidual mps you mention who you dont agree with their views. so what? I dont agree with the majority of people in that parliament , but i dont want them removed for holding views contrary to my own.
We are talking about someone deliberately not doing her job , irrespective of her views , and how that should be an immediate sacking under rules , but isnt.
Im not aware of other jobs where you could get away with this . Saying its fine to get elected , then refuse to do your job for the next five years till consituents remove you is a nonsense. Dorries is making a fool of your parliament and very democracy , which surely even you see is above party politics?
Her only job is to represent her constituents - and only her constituents can decide whether they are happy or not with that representation. With your argument we would have sacked the following MP's years ago. Michelle Gildernew, MP for Fermanagh and South Tyrone Órfhlaith Begley, MP for West Tyrone Francie Molloy, MP for Mid Ulster Mickey Brady, MP for Newry and Armagh Paul Maskey, MP for Belfast West Chris Hazzard, MP for South Down John Finucane, MP for Belfast North I would disagree wiht your first sentence.
Secondly , the sinn fein argument , while consistent , wont work in terms of booting them out of your parliament . As you know , the nationalsit areas of the north or ireland dont agree with british rule. So if you for example booted sinn fein mps out for non attendance , and held further by elections, the local nationalist electorate would simply vote back in more sinn fein mps on a non attendance to your parliament platform as the dont recognise british rule. And so on.
Democracy only works with the consent of people. That why northern ireland is an anomaly , unlike bedfordshire with dorries.
I simply think it a national embarressment that the so called mother of all parliaments ( no laughing please) doesnt have a rule ejecting a member for not turning up to do her job for 6 months or more out of spite.
I know of no other position of employment where this would be tolerated. Its almost like an entitled medieval feudal barons mentality of doing as they please in the 21st century.
No amount of whataboutery is going to wash the dorries stain out of your parliament or the tory party.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2023 7:31:52 GMT
If you are going to boot MP's out of Parliament for lack of attendance then you cannot make special rules for MP's of a particular party. There is only one class of MP - and they all need to follow the same rules.
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2023 14:12:49 GMT
If you are going to boot MP's out of Parliament for lack of attendance then you cannot make special rules for MP's of a particular party. There is only one class of MP - and they all need to follow the same rules. no one is trying to. Another diversion.
Im asking why there isnt a rule in place to get rid of someone not doing her job.
You brought the sinn fein mps into the equation as though this party representing a country that doesnt want englands rule , and takes steps to de ligitimise englands rule by not attending englands parliament , is somehow comparable to the petulant self interested fit of pique guiding nadine dorries from showing up.
Im simply saying while a basic rule of showing up to do your job should have been in place centuries ago , the sinn fein mps might be a bit harder to deal with using that rule.
while we have people like margaret ferrier doing stupid things ,or even the sinn fein mps and their non attendance , you can always rely on englands tory party to upstage that stupidity ten times over.
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