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Post by jonksy on Jul 10, 2023 7:47:04 GMT
Something just doesn’t sit right with me. If the government were convinced that EVs were the future then they would have encouraged a national grid of charging stations. I suspect that they knew that EVs would fail . Plenty of charging points being installed around here (N16 and I assume the rest of Hackney and north and east London). Can’t offer any views on cost, as I’ve only had access to an EV over the last couple of days and haven’t yet signed up to to any charging scheme. We’re planning a couple of weeks in France in early August, which could be in an EV, or Mrs P’s hybrid… Good luck with that one... I hope you have home recovery.... |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 10, 2023 8:14:49 GMT
That got me thinking mate. I havejust done a search on an ev charging point app and the nearest one to us is nearly 19 miles away. Assuming is is still working or there isn't a que. Failing that the next are 24 miles away and the same assumptions can be applied to those too. Indeed. We will need car parks full of charging points when ICE vehicles are phased out . I’m no expert but there will have to be major infrastructure changes to facilitate this. No sign of this even starting to happen . |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 10, 2023 8:32:06 GMT
Just done a quick search if correct there are only 42,000 public charging stations in the UK
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Post by jonksy on Jul 10, 2023 8:38:41 GMT
Just done a quick search if correct there are only 42,000 public charging stations in the UK And I wonder how many of them are working mate... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 10, 2023 8:39:07 GMT
It's not encouraging when carparks are removing charging points, we have a local M&S, the carpark had a couple of charging points, the other week they were cordoned off, next week we went they'd been 'removed'? That's because time runs backwards where you live. Or maybe where I live we all have private driveways and personalised number plates that are worth more than your house. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2023 8:45:44 GMT
Just done a quick search if correct there are only 42,000 public charging stations in the UK 13 Feb 2023 — The United Kingdom is home to 8,365 operational petrol stations and those under development. The UK is among the leading ten European countries by number of petrol stations, while Italy ranks first with over 20,000 service stations.
Also, many EVs charge at home and/or at work...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 10, 2023 8:54:20 GMT
The cost of electricity at these stations is double the cost of petrol for the same distance. I’ve not seen any calculations coming up with anything but how less expensive EVs are to run than ICE powered vehicles… I gave you the link. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 10, 2023 8:58:51 GMT
That's because time runs backwards where you live. Or maybe where I live we all have private driveways and personalised number plates that are worth more than your house. They must be the nouveau riche. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2023 9:15:51 GMT
I’ve not seen any calculations coming up with anything but how less expensive EVs are to run than ICE powered vehicles… I gave you the link. Just watched it — quoting Nadine Dorries and the Daily Mail, and one email from a subscriber doesn't fill me with assured confidence.
Most of the link appears to be taken up with people moaning about vehicle depreciation as though it's something new — unless you're driving an insane amount of miles, depreciation is actually going to outpace fuel as your biggest day-to-day car running expense. That's according to research by CAP Automotive, who found that depreciation will cost the typical car owner three times as much as they spend at the petrol pump!
The biggest drop in value occurs in the first year, after which the process is going to slow down.
Generally, your car will lose around 15-35% of its value in the first 12 months, before going on to depreciate by around 50% by the third year. To make the numbers easier for you, here's a neat summarisation of the rate of depreciation (assuming you're covering roughly 10,000 miles per annum):
Year 1: 15-35% depreciation
Year 3: 40-60% depreciation
Year 5: 60-70% depreciation
Year 8-10: 80% depreciation
By the five-year point, the car’s depreciation will tend to become slower and more steady, and by the eight-to-ten-year point, it may have run its course and will stop depreciating completely.
If EVs are such bad buys, won't leasing companies get so badly bitten they'll stop funding them? I don't see that happening...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 10, 2023 9:37:30 GMT
Just watched it — quoting Nadine Dorries and the Daily Mail, and one email from a subscriber doesn't fill me with assured confidence.
Most of the link appears to be taken up with people moaning about vehicle depreciation as though it's something new — unless you're driving an insane amount of miles, depreciation is actually going to outpace fuel as your biggest day-to-day car running expense. That's according to research by CAP Automotive, who found that depreciation will cost the typical car owner three times as much as they spend at the petrol pump!
The biggest drop in value occurs in the first year, after which the process is going to slow down.
Generally, your car will lose around 15-35% of its value in the first 12 months, before going on to depreciate by around 50% by the third year. To make the numbers easier for you, here's a neat summarisation of the rate of depreciation (assuming you're covering roughly 10,000 miles per annum):
Year 1: 15-35% depreciation
Year 3: 40-60% depreciation
Year 5: 60-70% depreciation
Year 8-10: 80% depreciation
By the five-year point, the car’s depreciation will tend to become slower and more steady, and by the eight-to-ten-year point, it may have run its course and will stop depreciating completely.
If EVs are such bad buys, won't leasing companies get so badly bitten they'll stop funding them? I don't see that happening...
I think it was in that video, but if not it is in the one I think he refers to in that video as the link is like number 2 in a topic on this. Basically what he has done is to curate these different reports and also compare and show the reports he gets from his audience. You do this in science to null out the problems from since sourced data. If you were say doing an experiment on blood properties as a scientist you would try and avoid potential errors like to get all your samples from one firm. You try and randomise your samples as much as possible, which I think he understands. The test he refers to was a motorway journey of I think 200 miles. The price calculated was almost exactly double. I got the impression the chap who measured it was some sort of regular commuter type who made the journey on a regular basis. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 10, 2023 10:43:54 GMT
Just done a quick search if correct there are only 42,000 public charging stations in the UK 13 Feb 2023 — The United Kingdom is home to 8,365 operational petrol stations and those under development. The UK is among the leading ten European countries by number of petrol stations, while Italy ranks first with over 20,000 service stations.
Also, many EVs charge at home and/or at work...
That is ok if you have off road parking and have your own charger installed , but what about people who have to park in the street, or live in tower blocks there is no way Councils would allow cables all over the pavements trip hazards the price of an EV Vehicle is enough to out me off, they are very heavy |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 10, 2023 10:45:30 GMT
Just done a quick search if correct there are only 42,000 public charging stations in the UK And I wonder how many of them are working mate... And how many of them have been vandalized , ? even home charger cables are stolen |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 10, 2023 10:53:06 GMT
And I wonder how many of them are working mate... And how many of them have been vandalized , ? even home charger cables are stolen The theft of charging cables and equipment has now overtaken the theft of catalysts on ICE motors. Yet another growing industry mate.. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 10, 2023 10:57:26 GMT
The cost of electricity at these stations is double the cost of petrol for the same distance. I’ve not seen any calculations coming up with anything but how less expensive EVs are to run than ICE powered vehicles… Well, i did provide a few based on my suzuki diesel But to update it, my recently acquired top of the range 65 plated but Clean Air Zone exempt Dacia Duster Laureate 4WD does 52mpg from here to Swanage and 42mpg round Newport. Lets take the lower figure and cost in the diesel at todays price in Sainsbury's 139.9p/l. With 4.54 litres to a gallon thats 15p per mile of supremely comfortable heated and demisted travel and it can do almost 500 of them on one tank The Nissan leaf managed 3.1 miles per kilowatt on a very good day on a flat road with no heating lighting demisters etc With Lidl charging 29p to put one unit in, it does do rather better at 9.35p. But using any heating in the car or running the demister snd you can kiss bye bye to a quarter of that so we are down to 2.4 miles for your 29p so 12p a mile At home my Octopus tarriff was rather more than 29p/kwh But Costa, Mcdonalds, the NHS and a couple of hotels round here charge you the same as the M4 service stations. 65p per kwH. Over 21p a mile. And even my grand daughter’s schoolfriend’s dad has to charge up his TESLA at one of those to get back from hus caravan in Budleigh Salterton because there are sod all WORKING chargers between the exeter services and there. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 10, 2023 11:12:55 GMT
And how many of them have been vandalized , ? even home charger cables are stolen The theft of charging cables and equipment has now overtaken the theft of catalysts on ICE motors. Yet another growing industry mate.. If I want or need to travel up North on the hurry up for a family crisis my car always has enough fuel in it to cover to 250+ miles without stopping to refuel, but if I need to I can get fuel 24/7 on or off the motorway as we al do I may struggle to charge up an EV , the Hotel we usually stay in only has one charging outlet, the nearest one is 4 miles in the Town Centre only two charging stations, its pot luck if any of them a not being used. The Rescue Services AA etc are constantly being called out to stranded EV's with flat batteries |
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