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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 8, 2023 12:34:04 GMT
Is not talked about in Westminster. Banning petrol cars is all well and good as long as you have a replacement. The plan relies on consumers buying new EVs before the old cars are banned. We are seeing an EV depreciate in one year more than what someone could earn in a min wage full time job during the same time. Sure EVs are fun for those rich bastards who have run the kind of business who has ripped everyone off. As the min wage becomes the standard wage it is not so funny to the majority, already ripped off by energy sanctions and forced to buy LNG from the US rather than frack it ourselves.
Anyway, lets run through some real examples of EV owners in Britain.
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Post by jonksy on Jul 8, 2023 12:55:22 GMT
Is not talked about in Westminster. Banning petrol cars is all well and good as long as you have a replacement. The plan relies on consumers buying new EVs before the old cars are banned. We are seeing an EV depreciate in one year more than what someone could earn in a min wage full time job during the same time. Sure EVs are fun for those rich bastards who have run the kind of business who has ripped everyone off. As the min wage becomes the standard wage it is not so funny to the majority, already ripped off by energy sanctions and forced to buy LNG from the US rather than frack it ourselves.
Anyway, lets run through some real examples of EV owners in Britain.
I am sure zany will be along soon with all the of usual BS in support of these total peices of expensive crap.
Used electric car values have dropped like a stone in 2023: We reveal the biggest second-hand fallers in the first half of the year - and the worst 20 are all EVs Story by Rob Hull, Motoring Editor For Mailonline & This Is Money • 2h ago Some electric car owners have seen the value of their vehicles plummet in value by thousands of pounds already this year as demand for second-hand battery models continues to crash. Exclusive figures shared with This is Money show that all 20 second-hand cars that have deflated most significantly in price since the start of the year across all fuel types are EVs - while not a single one appears in the list of the 20 biggest value risers in the first half of 2023.
It means some second-hand EVs are now cheaper to buy than their petrol equivalents - bad news for those who paid through the nose for a new one but great for drivers wanting an affordable way into electric car ownership.
Here's the countdown of the biggest price fallers so far this year - as we ask experts to explain why used electric car values are nosediving at such an alarming rate.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 13:02:11 GMT
Something just doesn’t sit right with me.
If the government were convinced that EVs were the future then they would have encouraged a national grid of charging stations.
I suspect that they knew that EVs would fail .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 8, 2023 13:35:37 GMT
Something just doesn’t sit right with me. If the government were convinced that EVs were the future then they would have encouraged a national grid of charging stations. I suspect that they knew that EVs would fail . The cost of electricity at these stations is double the cost of petrol for the same distance. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 8, 2023 13:58:20 GMT
This seems to be a peculiarly British problem, most likely caused by buyer's remorse in the face of swingeing energy price rises and an almost complete absence of a national charging infrastructure.
It does not seem to be happening on the continent, where electric vehicle sales have been very strong in 2023, whether BEV, HEV or PHEV. The letter segment is still relatively depressed owing to VAG's decision not to re-introduce PHEVs to the Euro market until late 2023/2024.
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Post by Handyman on Jul 8, 2023 14:15:32 GMT
I did read a short article a week or so ago VW have reduced their production of E Cars as they are not selling well enough, I don't want one I will buy a new run of the mill car just before 2030 begins, there is not enough recharging station now , I doubt it will be much better in 2030
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Post by Handyman on Jul 8, 2023 14:23:00 GMT
Whoops duplicate sorry about that
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 14:34:16 GMT
I suspect that the government will allow internal combustion engines to be sold after 2030.
China must be rubbing its hands .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 8, 2023 19:46:36 GMT
As I've said before: The plan is not that we all drive electric. The plan is that most of us don't drive at all.
ULEZ, LTNs, 15 minute cities, the cashless society.
You will go nowhere, own nothing and be monitored at all times.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2023 9:18:18 GMT
Better to the environment to buy a second hand conventional car and keep it running.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2023 9:24:01 GMT
EV's depreciating at a rate of £1000 a month? Bloody hell, I know some cars depreciate more than others but £1,000 a month is pretty special. And what do you do with an EV at the end of it's life? Do scrap yards handle EV's? I don't know.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 9, 2023 9:28:44 GMT
It's not encouraging when carparks are removing charging points, we have a local M&S, the carpark had a couple of charging points, the other week they were cordoned off, next week we went they'd been 'removed'?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2023 9:34:20 GMT
Better to the environment to buy a second hand conventional car and keep it running. Quite right, we have two cars one is an 08 plate with 70k on it, the other a 10 plate with 90k on it. Both diesels and both in perfect working order. As old as they are as long as they are looked after they will outlive us which makes them a damned sight more environmentally friendly than an EV which is full of rare earth minerals mined by children in Africa and South America. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2023 9:40:07 GMT
As I've said before: The plan is not that we all drive electric. The plan is that most of us don't drive at all.
ULEZ, LTNs, 15 minute cities, the cashless society.
You will go nowhere, own nothing and be monitored at all times.
Yes I agree, and without trying to divert the thread, of the points you raise the cashless society is in my opinion by far the most sinister threat to our way of life. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 9, 2023 23:48:46 GMT
It's not encouraging when carparks are removing charging points, we have a local M&S, the carpark had a couple of charging points, the other week they were cordoned off, next week we went they'd been 'removed'? That's because time runs backwards where you live. |
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