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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 10, 2023 5:14:04 GMT
What depreciation ?
The nine year old Nissan Leaf i picked up three years ago for £5000, less than a fifth of its on the road price of £26500 in 2012, was sold last year for almost £6500 to a Mercedes Benz car dealer in Derby who clearly wanted it for its novelty value.
I’m not sure how the employee he sent to collect it got it back to Derby when he turned up to DRIVE it there given it only did 60 miles on one charge but he did, because i saw on the telematics monitor he stopped at three LIDL stores to fast charge it to 80% as i suggested…..
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 10, 2023 5:49:20 GMT
Erm, that'll be the more than 80% of its original price that it lost in the first 8 years. The nine year old Nissan Leaf i picked up three years ago for £5000, less than a fifth of its on the road price of £26500 in 2012... Probably because: ...it only did 60 miles on one charge. And that's the problem with ageing EVs. A friend's niece had an EV as a lease car and by the end of 3 years it was down to about half the range that it started with. She's just replaced it with a petrol model. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 10, 2023 6:27:47 GMT
There are just so many problems with the concept of battery powered EVs that they will never work - and even the govt must have realised this by now. The problem with charging points is just one of the intractable problems. These charging points are very expensive to install (especially the fast chargers) because of the cost of the connection to the Grid. But the cash flow from a charging point is very low because it takes so long to charge a car up - hours rather than minutes for petrol. So it's impossible for a private operator to make a profit without charging the kind of prices for electricity that people won't pay. Yet the govt are relying on private industry to install most of these chargers. It simply won't happen.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 10, 2023 6:28:38 GMT
Erm, that'll be the more than 80% of its original price that it lost in the first 8 years. The nine year old Nissan Leaf i picked up three years ago for £5000, less than a fifth of its on the road price of £26500 in 2012... Probably because: ...it only did 60 miles on one charge. And that's the problem with ageing EVs. A friend's niece had an EV as a lease car and by the end of 3 years it was down to about half the range that it started with. She's just replaced it with a petrol model. but you misunderstand. On the forecourt brand new Nissan swore blind it did 100 miles a charge The most you would ever get with all the roads flat and a following wind was 74 Wales is not flat. The most the users ever got between charge was 63 and the most i ever got was 60 because of the hills around here. Yes the regenerative brakes returned a lot but its a losing battle |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 10, 2023 6:32:47 GMT
One thing I have noticed from all the articles investigating the cost of recharging EV's is that they just take the price of electricity from the public charger - they assume that parking to use the charger is free. Well not in Dorset it isn't...  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 10, 2023 6:32:55 GMT
but you misunderstand. On the forecourt brand new Nissan swore blind it did 100 miles a charge The most you would ever get with all the roads flat and a following wind was 74 Wales is not flat. The most the users ever got between charge was 63 and the most i ever got was 60 because of the hills around here. Yes the regenerative brakes returned a lot but its a losing battle Well, no manufacturers vehicle ever gets the claimed figures because they're not real world. But EVs still lose capacity over time. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 10, 2023 6:33:49 GMT
There's also the problem that it takes a very long time to fully charge the battery - because the charging rate declines rapidly as it gets over 80%. Also you're not recommended to charge it more than 80% or discharge it below 20% if you want to avoid battery degradation.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 10, 2023 6:35:46 GMT
There's also the problem that it takes a very long time to fully charge the battery - because the charging rate declines rapidly as it gets over 80%. Also you're not recommended to charge it more than 80% or discharge it below 20% if you want to avoid battery degradation. Yep, and the quoted max range is always based on going from 100% to zero. So in real life, you're only ever going to get 60% to begin with. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2023 7:07:00 GMT
Something just doesn’t sit right with me. If the government were convinced that EVs were the future then they would have encouraged a national grid of charging stations. I suspect that they knew that EVs would fail . The cost of electricity at these stations is double the cost of petrol for the same distance. I’ve not seen any calculations coming up with anything but how less expensive EVs are to run than ICE powered vehicles… |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 10, 2023 7:11:05 GMT
The cost of electricity at these stations is double the cost of petrol for the same distance. I’ve not seen any calculations coming up with anything but how less expensive EVs are to run than ICE powered vehicles… It's based on the price in the video. There are plenty of articles showing that if you only use public chargers it can easily be more expensive than diesel. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 10, 2023 7:15:00 GMT
I’ve not seen any calculations coming up with anything but how less expensive EVs are to run than ICE powered vehicles… It's based on the price in the video. There are plenty of articles showing that if you only use public chargers it can easily be more expensive than diesel. They have removed the charging points from Asda in Paington and the promised charging points at Morrisons have yet to materialise. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2023 7:17:03 GMT
Something just doesn’t sit right with me. If the government were convinced that EVs were the future then they would have encouraged a national grid of charging stations. I suspect that they knew that EVs would fail . Plenty of charging points being installed around here (N16 and I assume the rest of Hackney and north and east London). Can’t offer any views on cost, as I’ve only had access to an EV over the last couple of days and haven’t yet signed up to to any charging scheme. We’re planning a couple of weeks in France in early August, which could be in an EV, or Mrs P’s hybrid… |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 10, 2023 7:21:29 GMT
Something just doesn’t sit right with me. If the government were convinced that EVs were the future then they would have encouraged a national grid of charging stations. I suspect that they knew that EVs would fail . Plenty of charging points being installed around here (N16 and I assume the rest of Hackney and north and east London). Can’t offer any views on cost, as I’ve only had access to an EV over the last couple of days and haven’t yet signed up to to any charging scheme. We’re planning a couple of weeks in France in early August, which could be in an EV, or Mrs P’s hybrid… Take the EV and let us know how you get on - whether real life with an EV is practical. Hope you have more luck that this guy who wanted to go to Paris.. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 10, 2023 7:26:23 GMT
Something just doesn’t sit right with me. If the government were convinced that EVs were the future then they would have encouraged a national grid of charging stations. I suspect that they knew that EVs would fail . Plenty of charging points being installed around here (N16 and I assume the rest of Hackney and north and east London). Can’t offer any views on cost, as I’ve only had access to an EV over the last couple of days and haven’t yet signed up to to any charging scheme. We’re planning a couple of weeks in France in early August, which could be in an EV, or Mrs P’s hybrid… Define ‘ plenty’ . |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 10, 2023 7:44:54 GMT
Plenty of charging points being installed around here (N16 and I assume the rest of Hackney and north and east London). Can’t offer any views on cost, as I’ve only had access to an EV over the last couple of days and haven’t yet signed up to to any charging scheme. We’re planning a couple of weeks in France in early August, which could be in an EV, or Mrs P’s hybrid… Define ‘ plenty’ . That got me thinking mate. I havejust done a search on an ev charging point app and the nearest one to us is nearly 19 miles away. Assuming is is still working or there isn't a que. Failing that the next are 24 miles away and the same assumptions can be applied to those too. |
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