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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 22:03:15 GMT
Stop it Monte, you know perfectly well that battery life and range are massive issues for EV's, and cold weather reduces both. And in saying most drivers only do 20 miles a day, which is rubbish, you appear to be conceding defeat. The average UK driver does 20 miles a day. If my EV has a range of 300 miles and cold weather reduces that by a third (your figure not mine) I will still have a range of 200 miles or ten times the average car mileage per day. A single EV fire and the Safety gear required by EACH person who attend. And all to be scrapped after 3 calls outs....A bargain NOT.
Fire Isolator £840
Fire Aeralsole Isolator £795
Mullion safety Intervention Jacket £165
Intervention Trousers £156.10
Boots £118.50
Gloves £46.50
Storage bag £19.50
Welly boots £19.50
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 22:09:16 GMT
Supermarkets scramble to cut diesel pump prices amid watchdog probe. Like I have already stated diesel was reduced by 7p a ltr in this neck of the woods today.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 22:24:57 GMT
Stop it Monte, you know perfectly well that battery life and range are massive issues for EV's, and cold weather reduces both. And in saying most drivers only do 20 miles a day, which is rubbish, you appear to be conceding defeat. The average UK driver does 20 miles a day. If my EV has a range of 300 miles and cold weather reduces that by a third (your figure not mine) I will still have a range of 200 miles or ten times the average car mileage per day. You have an EV? Of course you have a bloody EV, oh boy I'm slow. Anyhoo. EV ranges are on average 20% less than advertised, and reduced by 30% in cold weather. Not good. I've just had a shufty and the longest range electric car is the Mercedes EQS with a range according to Mercedes of 453 miles (Less 20% manufacturers bullshit, so it's actually 362 miles. Less 30% in cold weather so it's actually 253 miles) My 2010 V8 diesel Range Rover doubles that and Mrs R's 2008 Mk 6 diesel Fiesta does even better and I suspect both will be on the road for a lot longer than any EV. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 22:30:48 GMT
The average UK driver does 20 miles a day. If my EV has a range of 300 miles and cold weather reduces that by a third (your figure not mine) I will still have a range of 200 miles or ten times the average car mileage per day. You have an EV? Of course you have a bloody EV, oh boy I'm slow. Anyhoo. EV ranges are on average 20% less than advertised, and reduced by 30% in cold weather. Not good. I've just had a shufty and the longest range electric car is the Mercedes EQS with a range according to Mercedes of 453 miles (Less 20% manufacturers bullshit, so it's actually 362 miles. Less 30% in cold weather so it's actually 253 miles) My 2010 V8 diesel Range Rover doubles that and Mrs R's 2008 Mk 6 diesel Fiesta does even better and I suspect both will be on the road for a lot longer than any EV. Not only is batteru efficency lowered by the cold guess what you have to run a heater demisters and lights which reduces the range by more than half. But you won't see that fact adevertised in their bullshit brochures. Now you know why they are correctly called Lemons in the USA. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 22:33:04 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 22:36:09 GMT
In one incident this week some drivers were reported to be stranded with their vehicles on the M80 for around 20 hours in freezing conditions. Police were advising drivers to stay with their vehicles. Some of these drivers would have been doing a journey which was well within the range of an EV. With a conventional combustion engine you could could have kept your engine running for the whole time (for heat), provided you had a reasonable amount of fuel in your tank. My question is how does the interior heater of an pure EV work (Not a hybrid)? Does it use the car batteries? If so, it would surely have flattened the batteries shortly after being stranded leaving the occupants freezing (or dead) and leaving an non-driveable vehicle needing recovered. Or does the heater work of petrol or diesel? Or am I missing something? www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/122690/electric-car-ev- |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 1, 2023 22:37:54 GMT
The average UK driver does 20 miles a day. If my EV has a range of 300 miles and cold weather reduces that by a third (your figure not mine) I will still have a range of 200 miles or ten times the average car mileage per day. You have an EV? Of course you have a bloody EV, oh boy I'm slow. Anyhoo. EV ranges are on average 20% less than advertised, and reduced by 30% in cold weather. Not good. I've just had a shufty and the longest range electric car is the Mercedes EQS with a range according to Mercedes of 453 miles (Less 20% manufacturers bullshit, so it's actually 362 miles. Less 30% in cold weather so it's actually 253 miles) My 2010 V8 diesel Range Rover doubles that and Mrs R's 2008 Mk 6 diesel Fiesta does even better and I suspect both will be on the road for a lot longer than any EV. No I don't have an EV. I have a 22 years old VW Polo 1000cc petrol. How often do you drive more than 250 miles a day Red? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 22:40:37 GMT
You have an EV? Of course you have a bloody EV, oh boy I'm slow. Anyhoo. EV ranges are on average 20% less than advertised, and reduced by 30% in cold weather. Not good. I've just had a shufty and the longest range electric car is the Mercedes EQS with a range according to Mercedes of 453 miles (Less 20% manufacturers bullshit, so it's actually 362 miles. Less 30% in cold weather so it's actually 253 miles) My 2010 V8 diesel Range Rover doubles that and Mrs R's 2008 Mk 6 diesel Fiesta does even better and I suspect both will be on the road for a lot longer than any EV. Not only is batteru efficency lowered by the cold guess what you have to run a heater demisters and lights which reduces the range by more than half. But you won't see that fact adevertised in their bullshit brochures. Now you know why they are correctly called Lemons in the USA. Ahh yes, I forgot about that. I seem to remember Clarkson banging on about power windows, wipers, lights etc all reducing range. He actually liked EV's, but said he wouldn't have one because they're not good enough, yet. And in my opinion, they're still not. |
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Post by colbops on Jun 1, 2023 22:45:14 GMT
You have an EV? Of course you have a bloody EV, oh boy I'm slow. Anyhoo. EV ranges are on average 20% less than advertised, and reduced by 30% in cold weather. Not good. I've just had a shufty and the longest range electric car is the Mercedes EQS with a range according to Mercedes of 453 miles (Less 20% manufacturers bullshit, so it's actually 362 miles. Less 30% in cold weather so it's actually 253 miles) My 2010 V8 diesel Range Rover doubles that and Mrs R's 2008 Mk 6 diesel Fiesta does even better and I suspect both will be on the road for a lot longer than any EV. No I don't have an EV. I have a 22 years old VW Polo 1000cc petrol. How often do you drive more than 250 miles a day Red? He starts sweating on leaving the driveway, palpitations kick in when leaving his street. Leaving the village is a complete no-go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 22:50:27 GMT
Since odometers can be easily disabled it's quite likely tracking devices such as the ''black boxes'' used by young drivers to reduce their insurance premiums would be used. Is that the future you want for motorists Red? More surveillance of citizens' movements? Pay per mile charging on EV's will be monitored via GPS tracking, obviously. Just another reason I wont be driving an electric car. It's all being creeped. People accept it on their phones and other services, so why won't they accept it with cars, especially when there's a chance to look smug? It's like the privacy argument. It's OK because all the other corporations are spying on you whilst selling your data. People just stop caring when it becomes a norm, like some sort of brave new world decadence.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 22:52:48 GMT
You have an EV? Of course you have a bloody EV, oh boy I'm slow. Anyhoo. EV ranges are on average 20% less than advertised, and reduced by 30% in cold weather. Not good. I've just had a shufty and the longest range electric car is the Mercedes EQS with a range according to Mercedes of 453 miles (Less 20% manufacturers bullshit, so it's actually 362 miles. Less 30% in cold weather so it's actually 253 miles) My 2010 V8 diesel Range Rover doubles that and Mrs R's 2008 Mk 6 diesel Fiesta does even better and I suspect both will be on the road for a lot longer than any EV. No I don't have an EV. I have a 22 years old VW Polo 1000cc petrol. How often do you drive more than 250 miles a day Red? Well, I used to regularly drive down to Dorset, and still do on occasion. For some reason most of my family live in various parts of Dorset. So in answer to your question, not often. Does that mean I should buy an EV? You may think so, I don't. I prefer the comfort of knowing that if required I can drive 500+ miles in cold weather, without stopping for hours to recharge the battery, assuming I can find a recharging point. And btw Monte, your 22 year old Polo is a damned sight more environmental that any EV. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 22:58:30 GMT
Pay per mile charging on EV's will be monitored via GPS tracking, obviously. Just another reason I wont be driving an electric car. It's all being creeped. People accept it on their phones and other services, so why won't they accept it with cars, especially when there's a chance to look smug? It's like the privacy argument. It's OK because all the other corporations are spying on you whilst selling your data. People just stop caring when it become a norm, like some sort of brave new world decadence.
Being spied on and corporations selling our data ' is' the norm. It's been the norm for some years. And the biggest laugh is, the companies and organisations who gather and sell our data don't have to work at it because people make it so easy. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 23:55:37 GMT
It's all being creeped. People accept it on their phones and other services, so why won't they accept it with cars, especially when there's a chance to look smug? It's like the privacy argument. It's OK because all the other corporations are spying on you whilst selling your data. People just stop caring when it become a norm, like some sort of brave new world decadence.
Being spied on and corporations selling our data ' is' the norm. It's been the norm for some years. And the biggest laugh is, the companies and organisations who gather and sell our data don't have to work at it because people make it so easy. 'It's really disturbing': Amazon to pay $30 million in penalties for 'spying on customers' after FTC said Ring employee peeped on scores of women in their bedrooms and Alexa failed to delete recordings of children
n 2019, a mother released this chilling video of a hacker talking to her eight-year-old
daughter through a Ring security camera in her bedroom
FTC made the allegations in two civil complaints against Amazon on Wednesday Said 'egregious' lapses violated the privacy rights of Ring and Alexa customers Amazon agreed to pay more than $30 million in penalties to settle the claims
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 2, 2023 0:04:30 GMT
I mentioned ages ago that 'Ring' doorbells should be avoided. They are Amazon doorbells, at the time Amazon kept it quiet because they didn't want it generally known that Ring is in fact Amazon, a company who have turned spying into an art.
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