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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 21:17:09 GMT
Your link Monte suggests there are a lot of hoops to jump through to achieve optimum battery efficiency, and it doesn't mention the 'fact' that range and battery efficiency is reduced in cold weather. No different from extending the life of your car's engine. As an engineer I'm sure you always warm your engine up for 2 or 3 minutes before moving off in order to reduce wear. You will also change your oil at the recommended distances along with fuel, air and oil filters. I'm not an engineer. And yes I may warm the engine for a few minutes in cold weather just to get fluids moving. But I don't quite see what servicing an engine has got to do with cold weather reducing EV range and battery efficiency. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 21:18:14 GMT
Yes I understand that, but personally I don't want to be monitored. I don't want 'the state' to know where I go, or on what date I go there, or what route I took to get there etc etc. We're monitored and tracked enough. I get what you mean but this has quite a few benefits. It would be quite easy to tie it in to the Cars electronics so that if the car didn't have an MOT or Insurance it would not move - could get quite a few yobs and trash off the roads. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 21:18:41 GMT
Yes I understand that, but personally I don't want to be monitored. I don't want 'the state' to know where I go, or on what date I go there, or what route I took to get there etc etc. We're monitored and tracked enough. I get what you mean but this has quite a few benefits. It would be quite easy to tie it in to the Cars electronics so that if the car didn't have an MOT or Insurance it would not move - could get quite a few yobs and trash off the roads. You provide a frightening glimpse of the future. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 21:21:19 GMT
No different from extending the life of your car's engine. As an engineer I'm sure you always warm your engine up for 2 or 3 minutes before moving off in order to reduce wear. You will also change your oil at the recommended distances along with fuel, air and oil filters. I'm not an engineer. And yes I may warm the engine for a few minutes in cold weather just to get fluids moving. But I don't quite see what servicing an engine has got to do with cold weather reducing EV range and battery efficiency. The colder the climate the less energy from a battery Red. The aviation industry have known this since between the world wars. Most Aircraft these days carry three batteries 2 mains and a stanby. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 1, 2023 21:28:20 GMT
Your link Monte suggests there are a lot of hoops to jump through to achieve optimum battery efficiency, and it doesn't mention the 'fact' that range and battery efficiency is reduced in cold weather. GM and Ford have found out that with every charge capacity falls of by as much as 1.3 percent. No wonder the mighty US Ford have dropped EV's from their range with no return in the forseeable future. And then what do you do with the bloody things once they are scrapped? Like Turbine blades they are not economically viable to recycle. Not sure where you are getting your information from. www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/ford/#:~:text=All%2Dnew%20Transit%20Custom%201,purpose%20vehicle%20EV%20in%202024  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 21:30:41 GMT
I'm not an engineer. And yes I may warm the engine for a few minutes in cold weather just to get fluids moving. But I don't quite see what servicing an engine has got to do with cold weather reducing EV range and battery efficiency. The colder the climate the less energy from a battery Red. The aviation industry have known this since between the world wars. Most Aircraft these days carry three batteries 2 mains and a stanby. Indeed Jonksy, whatever the type, a batteries performance is always reduced by cold weather. I've read that an EV battery range can be reduced by a third in cold weather and that's massive. But you get 500+ miles on a tank of diesel regardless of the temperature. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 1, 2023 21:34:08 GMT
No different from extending the life of your car's engine. As an engineer I'm sure you always warm your engine up for 2 or 3 minutes before moving off in order to reduce wear. You will also change your oil at the recommended distances along with fuel, air and oil filters. I'm not an engineer. And yes I may warm the engine for a few minutes in cold weather just to get fluids moving. But I don't quite see what servicing an engine has got to do with cold weather reducing EV range and battery efficiency. I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about battery life not range or efficiency. However since the average UK mileage is 20 miles per day range is not an issue for the majority of British drivers. www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-car-mileage-uk#:~:text=How%20much%20do%20we%20drive,and%207%2C400%20miles%20a%20year. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 21:35:47 GMT
GM and Ford have found out that with every charge capacity falls of by as much as 1.3 percent. No wonder the mighty US Ford have dropped EV's from their range with no return in the forseeable future. And then what do you do with the bloody things once they are scrapped? Like Turbine blades they are not economically viable to recycle. Not sure where you are getting your information from. www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/ford/#:~:text=All%2Dnew%20Transit%20Custom%201,purpose%20vehicle%20EV%20in%202024 But NOT built in the USA. They have dropped EV lemmons like hot bricks. The major components are made in Vietnam. Who BTW seem to be having their doubts in allowing cobolt into their country....Maybe they can still remember Agent Orange. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 21:39:14 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 21:41:00 GMT
Hold on Monte, you're talking about the future and to be perfectly honest predictions made ten years ago about the electric car revolution are yet to be realised. It seems to me that with EV's, like most things 'Green', on close inspection they tend to be less green than we were led to believe, less efficient than we were led to believe, and certainly more expensive than we were led to belive. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 21:43:36 GMT
Hold on Monte, you're talking about the future and to be perfectly honest predictions made ten years ago about the electric car revolution are yet to be realised. It seems to me that with EV's, like most things 'Green', on close inspection they tend to be less green than we were led to believe, less efficient than we were led to believe, and certainly more expensive than we were led to belive. Predictions and reality are two different things Red. Most of the world have dropped EV production and the sale of used EV's has tanked.....No one wants the frigging things. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 1, 2023 21:48:33 GMT
I'm not an engineer. And yes I may warm the engine for a few minutes in cold weather just to get fluids moving. But I don't quite see what servicing an engine has got to do with cold weather reducing EV range and battery efficiency. I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about battery life not range or efficiency. However since the average UK mileage is 20 miles per day range is not an issue for the majority of British drivers. www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-car-mileage-uk#:~:text=How%20much%20do%20we%20drive,and%207%2C400%20miles%20a%20year. Stop it Monte, you know perfectly well that battery life and range are massive issues for EV's, and cold weather reduces both. And in saying most drivers only do 20 miles a day, which is rubbish, you appear to be conceding defeat. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 1, 2023 21:49:05 GMT
But NOT built in the USA. They have dropped EV lemmons like hot bricks. The major components are made in Vietnam. Who BTW seem to be having their doubts in allowing cobolt into their country....Maybe they can still remember Agent Orange. The Ford F150 Lightning is built in Dearborn, Michigan. The electric Mustang is built in Mexico for the US Market. Ford are committed to EVs being 50% of all cars sold in the US by 2030 and their European range 100% electric by 2035. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 1, 2023 21:51:50 GMT
But NOT built in the USA. They have dropped EV lemmons like hot bricks. The major components are made in Vietnam. Who BTW seem to be having their doubts in allowing cobolt into their country....Maybe they can still remember Agent Orange. The Ford F150 Lightning is built in Dearborn, Michigan. The electric Mustang is built in Mexico for the US Market. Ford are committed to EVs being 50% of all cars sold in the US by 2030 and their European range 100% electric by 2035. They are no longer commited to EV's monty.
If you really want to try and plug EV's a trip on google to SOLAS may wake you up.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 1, 2023 21:53:01 GMT
Stop it Monte, you know perfectly well that battery life and range are massive issues for EV's, and cold weather reduces both. And in saying most drivers only do 20 miles a day, which is rubbish, you appear to be conceding defeat. The average UK driver does 20 miles a day. If my EV has a range of 300 miles and cold weather reduces that by a third (your figure not mine) I will still have a range of 200 miles or ten times the average car mileage per day. |
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