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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 19:53:26 GMT
Just finished reading that edition. Fascinating. Back in the 70's I was still at school so I had no experience of this and in any case my first real job was a trainee cabinet maker. Still when I met my wife she admired my forearms as they were like Popeye's because we used pump screwdrivers before electric screwdrivers made an appearance. How life changes eh. I wonder what those looking back on us think. I can imagine cabinet makers had quite a grip too. I think we used to call those screwdrivers’ Yankee’ screwdrivers. I have no idea why . Yep its amazing how much of a workout working used to be 😄 Yes that was it "Yankee" No idea why, perhaps they were the inventors ? What was your first job? |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 19:55:12 GMT
Trouble is the advice always follows the fraudsters, by the time you get it they've moved on. The latest warning we had last year was that fraudsters were intercepting emails gathering info and having whole conversations with employees as "known" business partners, then came the email casually telling you they had changed their bank account details and could next months bill be paid into the new account. We had one forwarded to our book keeper and she raised the alert with me. That was a year ago, who knows what's next Yes - this sort of thing is not uncommon. Your code system is a good idea. In practice you have to be suspicious of any request to redirect funds. If you can, it's best to build up a relationship that includes a protocol for doing this - ie make it clear that such instructions by email wont be entertained because emails can be spoofed. One of the earlier and infamous hackers phoned the IT department of major bank and told an engineer that he was the CEO - betting that an IT bod had never talked to the CEO. He convinced the IT guy that his account had been locked out and it was a matter of urgency and asked that new account be created and to given him the credentials over the phone. The iT bod duly obeyed what he imagined was a direct instruction from the CEO. The hacker did this all from a public phone box while traffic whizzed by. So simple. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 20:01:28 GMT
Not really. A better suggestion is to encourage and nurture neighbourhood watch groups, more community policing and promote better awareness of anti burglar strategies. Maybe. The analogy is not perfect. What we are seeing with internet fraud is a bunch of invisible burglars we are struggling to catch. Do you think we can neighbourhood watch our way out of internet fraud (Not being sarcastic) genuine question allowing for the analogy. We struggle to catch burglars so everyone should be chipped and licensed before they can leave the house? Your analogy was a weak one from the start. Repeating it doesn’t make it any less so. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 20:07:25 GMT
I can imagine cabinet makers had quite a grip too. I think we used to call those screwdrivers’ Yankee’ screwdrivers. I have no idea why . Yep its amazing how much of a workout working used to be 😄 Yes that was it "Yankee" No idea why, perhaps they were the inventors ? What was your first job? Just googled it and it was a brand name from the US. I was a print finisher/ book binder. Working on many of the machines needed grip and upper body strength. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 20:08:37 GMT
Maybe. The analogy is not perfect. What we are seeing with internet fraud is a bunch of invisible burglars we are struggling to catch. Do you think we can neighbourhood watch our way out of internet fraud (Not being sarcastic) genuine question allowing for the analogy. We struggle to catch burglars so everyone should be chipped and licensed before they can leave the house? Your analogy was a weak one from the start. Repeating it doesn’t make it any less so. Your exaggeration makes a poor argument. Burglary is relatively rare, we have been quite successful at stopping it. Neither would we need to chip people an identity card would serve quite well. As an aside, what exactly are your objections to having to register an account to use the internet? |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 20:11:19 GMT
Yep its amazing how much of a workout working used to be 😄 Yes that was it "Yankee" No idea why, perhaps they were the inventors ? What was your first job? Just googled it and it was a brand name from the US. I was a print finisher/ book binder. Working on many of the machines needed grip and upper body strength. Interesting job and very skilled, there are some beautiful books out there. I think most work was a lot more manual back then. We certainly didn't go to the gym! |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 20:14:16 GMT
We struggle to catch burglars so everyone should be chipped and licensed before they can leave the house? Your analogy was a weak one from the start. Repeating it doesn’t make it any less so. Your exaggeration makes a poor argument. Burglary is relatively rare, we have been quite successful at stopping it. Neither would we need to chip people an identity card would serve quite well. As an aside, what exactly are your objections to having to register an account to use the internet? Internet fraud is ‘relatively ‘ rare . I have registered an account with google, facebook, this forum , Amazon etc . I dont object to that . I object to having to be licensed to use it and I object to having to be licensed to set up a website. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 20:18:30 GMT
Your exaggeration makes a poor argument. Burglary is relatively rare, we have been quite successful at stopping it. Neither would we need to chip people an identity card would serve quite well. As an aside, what exactly are your objections to having to register an account to use the internet? Internet fraud is ‘relatively ‘ rare . I have registered an account with google, facebook, this forum , Amazon etc . I dont object to that . I object to having to be licensed to use it and I object to having to be licensed to set up a website. Why? |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 20:20:10 GMT
Just googled it and it was a brand name from the US. I was a print finisher/ book binder. Working on many of the machines needed grip and upper body strength. Interesting job and very skilled, there are some beautiful books out there. I think most work was a lot more manual back then. We certainly didn't go to the gym! The hand binders were skilled guys . I went to college with a few . Im not capable of the kind of skill they had with leather work or gilding . Some was pure art I don’t think I have the eye to be a cabinet maker either tbh. I operated binding machines , folders , guillotines etc. Boring stuff but initially well paid . |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 20:21:48 GMT
Internet fraud is ‘relatively ‘ rare . I have registered an account with google, facebook, this forum , Amazon etc . I dont object to that . I object to having to be licensed to use it and I object to having to be licensed to set up a website. Why? For the same reason that I object to be required to be licensed to leave the house, go to the shops or visit a library. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 20:28:12 GMT
Interesting job and very skilled, there are some beautiful books out there. I think most work was a lot more manual back then. We certainly didn't go to the gym! The hand binders were skilled guys . I went to college with a few . Im not capable of the kind of skill they had with leather work or gilding . Some was pure art I don’t think I have the eye to be a cabinet maker either tbh. I operated binding machines , folders , guillotines etc. Boring stuff but initially well paid . I loved cabinet making especially inlay work but it doesn't pay well, to many people keen to do it and too little demand. A few make lots but not many. So I moved into kitchen fitting and then set up my own company. Did that for 30 years before I invented a new concept which is my current business. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 20:40:43 GMT
The hand binders were skilled guys . I went to college with a few . Im not capable of the kind of skill they had with leather work or gilding . Some was pure art I don’t think I have the eye to be a cabinet maker either tbh. I operated binding machines , folders , guillotines etc. Boring stuff but initially well paid . I loved cabinet making especially inlay work but it doesn't pay well, to many people keen to do it and too little demand. A few make lots but not many. So I moved into kitchen fitting and then set up my own company. Did that for 30 years before I invented a new concept which is my current business. There’s a lot of skills involved in kitchen fitting afaik. If your company did well then you must have been good at it . I doubt that there are many general print companies around now let alone print finishers . T’internet killed them off. |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2023 20:59:45 GMT
For the same reason that I object to be required to be licensed to leave the house, go to the shops or visit a library. Or talk to your neighbors - which is essentially what the internet is. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 21:05:00 GMT
For the same reason that I object to be required to be licensed to leave the house, go to the shops or visit a library. Or talk to your neighbors - which is essentially what the internet is. Yes. That’s how I see it . |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 21:21:45 GMT
I loved cabinet making especially inlay work but it doesn't pay well, to many people keen to do it and too little demand. A few make lots but not many. So I moved into kitchen fitting and then set up my own company. Did that for 30 years before I invented a new concept which is my current business. There’s a lot of skills involved in kitchen fitting afaik. If your company did well then you must have been good at it . I doubt that there are many general print companies around now let alone print finishers . T’internet killed them off. My company did pretty ok. Paid to set up my current business. Printing is definitely a dying art, kindle books are much cheaper and easier to read and the stories are just the same. Still I hope it saw your career out? |
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