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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 17:28:00 GMT
Only where the risk is high, the damage considerable and the chances of getting caught low. Would be interesting to hear your alternatives as well. Well I don’t see how having a licence to fly a plane is a compelling argument for me to need a licence to access the internet , use a search engine or join a group. I don’t see how having a licence to ride a motorcycle is a compelling argument for me to need a licence for setting up a website to sell my drawings or promote kettle bell sessions in the local church hall. If there was a huge increase in burglaries there would be some people who would seriously suggest a night time curfew except for a few people who had the appropriate licence . Others might suggest better locks on doors . Its fine that you don't feel the need so long as you understand to comparison. How do you feel about a licence to carry a gun? Most people use guns perfectly innocently, but some definitely don't. How about a licence to ride a bike? |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 17:29:05 GMT
There might be a serious suggestion that we carry identity cards.
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 17:31:57 GMT
Something like that. We now require all invoices to carry a unique code which we issue. Any invoice without its code does not get paid. But we did lose about £800 before someone spotted it happening. So, how did these fraudsters ask you to pay the bill? - by leaving unmarked bills in public wastepaper basket? Don't be daft, you pay it by BACS and if you're lucky the bank give you it back. www.theguardian.com/money/2020/jan/25/bank-fraud-transfer-scams |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 17:33:29 GMT
I think its only a matter of time before ne of us oh so clever people on here who think we are impervious get caught. You are interpreting or seeing glibness - i feel no such thing. If you have been a victim of this recently, you have my sincere sympathy. I chose "Us" rather than "You" because I wanted to emphasise that no one is cleverer than the fraudsters, none of us immune. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 17:38:22 GMT
There are a couple of general rules that are a good baseline starting point - Nobody will EVER, EVER, EVER phone you to help with your computer. Even if you have a paid support arrangement with someone and there really is something wrong with your computer, nobody will know this and nobody will phone you even if they (somehow) find out. Typically, you will be lucky if you can phone them. All emails asking you to interact directly with / through the email in some way - ie clicking a link or opening an attachment - should be treated with suspicion. Trouble is the advice always follows the fraudsters, by the time you get it they've moved on. The latest warning we had last year was that fraudsters were intercepting emails gathering info and having whole conversations with employees as "known" business partners, then came the email casually telling you they had changed their bank account details and could next months bill be paid into the new account. We had one forwarded to our book keeper and she raised the alert with me. That was a year ago, who knows what's next |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2023 17:39:38 GMT
You go through an insured intermediary who theoretically has identified both sides of the transaction. If you pay with bitcoin that might not be the case. |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2023 17:48:06 GMT
There are a couple of general rules that are a good baseline starting point - Nobody will EVER, EVER, EVER phone you to help with your computer. Even if you have a paid support arrangement with someone and there really is something wrong with your computer, nobody will know this and nobody will phone you even if they (somehow) find out. Typically, you will be lucky if you can phone them. All emails asking you to interact directly with / through the email in some way - ie clicking a link or opening an attachment - should be treated with suspicion. Trouble is the advice always follows the fraudsters, by the time you get it they've moved on. The latest warning we had last year was that fraudsters were intercepting emails gathering info and having whole conversations with employees as "known" business partners, then came the email casually telling you they had changed their bank account details and could next months bill be paid into the new account. We had one forwarded to our book keeper and she raised the alert with me. That was a year ago, who knows what's next Yes - this sort of thing is not uncommon. Your code system is a good idea. In practice you have to be suspicious of any request to redirect funds. If you can, it's best to build up a relationship that includes a protocol for doing this - ie make it clear that such instructions by email wont be entertained because emails can be spoofed. One of the earlier and infamous hackers phoned the IT department of major bank and told an engineer that he was the CEO - betting that an IT bod had never talked to the CEO. He convinced the IT guy that his account had been locked out and it was a matter of urgency and asked that new account be created and to given him the credentials over the phone. The iT bod duly obeyed what he imagined was a direct instruction from the CEO. The hacker did this all from a public phone box while traffic whizzed by. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 18:09:45 GMT
It looks like it . Nothing is new . “ But the biggest nuisance was the carbon-paper salesman. In those days offices consumed a large amount of carbon paper and, value for weight, it was the most expensive item in the office. Carbon paper scams abounded. The unsuspecting secretary would order a “box” of carbon paper, expecting a hundred sheets, and end up with a box that had to be craned into the office through the window at a cost of many hundreds of pounds. We were constantly on guard against the carbon-paper scammers who were every bit as annoying and costly as today’s scammers and spammers.” www.macfilos.com/2011/04/02/2011-4-2-getting-things-done-in-the-1970s-office-history-part-ii-html/Lol. Nothing changes. "Left a bit with the crane Charlie." I'll read the history of getting things done later, but the first few lines point out how many office jobs have been sacrificed to the computer. Typing pools, hand written invoices and labels, masses of filing cabinets . Those were the days . |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 18:13:11 GMT
Well I don’t see how having a licence to fly a plane is a compelling argument for me to need a licence to access the internet , use a search engine or join a group. I don’t see how having a licence to ride a motorcycle is a compelling argument for me to need a licence for setting up a website to sell my drawings or promote kettle bell sessions in the local church hall. If there was a huge increase in burglaries there would be some people who would seriously suggest a night time curfew except for a few people who had the appropriate licence . Others might suggest better locks on doors . Its fine that you don't feel the need so long as you understand to comparison. How do you feel about a licence to carry a gun? Most people use guns perfectly innocently, but some definitely don't. How about a licence to ride a bike? I feel that the argument for licensing firearms has no comparison to licensing use of the internet. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 18:16:59 GMT
Lol. Nothing changes. "Left a bit with the crane Charlie." I'll read the history of getting things done later, but the first few lines point out how many office jobs have been sacrificed to the computer. Typing pools, hand written invoices and labels, masses of filing cabinets . Those were the days . Just finished reading that edition. Fascinating. Back in the 70's I was still at school so I had no experience of this and in any case my first real job was a trainee cabinet maker. Still when I met my wife she admired my forearms as they were like Popeye's because we used pump screwdrivers before electric screwdrivers made an appearance. How life changes eh. I wonder what those looking back on us think. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 18:18:43 GMT
Its fine that you don't feel the need so long as you understand to comparison. How do you feel about a licence to carry a gun? Most people use guns perfectly innocently, but some definitely don't. How about a licence to ride a bike? I feel that the argument for licensing firearms has no comparison to licensing use of the internet. That's your answer to every example. You refuse to acknowledge why they are even comparisons. How about licencing bikes |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 18:22:10 GMT
There might be a serious suggestion that we carry identity cards. Not really. A better suggestion is to encourage and nurture neighbourhood watch groups, more community policing and promote better awareness of anti burglar strategies. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 18:28:08 GMT
I feel that the argument for licensing firearms has no comparison to licensing use of the internet. That's your answer to every example. You refuse to acknowledge why they are even comparisons. How about licencing bikes So what do want? Do you want me to accept that there is a compelling case for abandoning driving licences because we no longer have dog licenses? You are insisting that an apple is an Orange because they both are fruits. Accessing the internet should be open to all. Licensing access would by definition restrict it. . |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 18:32:37 GMT
Typing pools, hand written invoices and labels, masses of filing cabinets . Those were the days . Just finished reading that edition. Fascinating. Back in the 70's I was still at school so I had no experience of this and in any case my first real job was a trainee cabinet maker. Still when I met my wife she admired my forearms as they were like Popeye's because we used pump screwdrivers before electric screwdrivers made an appearance. How life changes eh. I wonder what those looking back on us think. I can imagine cabinet makers had quite a grip too. I think we used to call those screwdrivers’ Yankee’ screwdrivers. I have no idea why . |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 19:48:29 GMT
There might be a serious suggestion that we carry identity cards. Not really. A better suggestion is to encourage and nurture neighbourhood watch groups, more community policing and promote better awareness of anti burglar strategies. Maybe. The analogy is not perfect. What we are seeing with internet fraud is a bunch of invisible burglars we are struggling to catch. Do you think we can neighbourhood watch our way out of internet fraud (Not being sarcastic) genuine question allowing for the analogy. |
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