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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 16:02:55 GMT
Don't forget this is the mind zone. Only polite conversation allowed. The likeness with a driving licence is that the government issue them, they require your details (Name, postal address etc), the government can refuse to give you one or remove it from you. Why is that so different? My apologies . Your passive aggressive hyperbolic reply made me forget . Yes it’s different . One allows you to drive a car and the other allows you to sell goods or set up a website on the internet ( I assume you need the latter to facilitate the former) . I don’t see a connection unless you think that any licence to do one thing is the same as a licence to do anything else . Men should need a licence to go outdoors after dark because one already needs a licence to drive an HGV? Well any trading business has to jump through a series of regulatory hoops in order to trade in the UK. You have to register the directors and get constant visits from various government officials to check you are following the rules. So as a business I don't see any problem with having a licence key that customers can get against a database. I already gave you the similarities. Assuming your objection to having to register your website by giving your details, then the similarity is very much the things I listed. Why do the government need my age and home address for me to drive a car, its to prevent me breaking the law, just the same reason as to why you might need one to go on the internet. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 16:04:52 GMT
I thought the bogus invoice was an old trick. In the old days they sent it through the post .
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 16:04:55 GMT
Zany, What you need to do is keep a list of your suppliers on a notebook text file on your desktop. When a bill comes in, put the cursor at the top of the file and do a search for the company name. Something like that. We now require all invoices to carry a unique code which we issue. Any invoice without its code does not get paid. But we did lose about £800 before someone spotted it happening. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 16:10:02 GMT
There is a programme on TV where cases of spammers ‘take over’ peoples mobiles and computers by persuading the victim to download an app . Iirc all of these spammers are based abroad. I don't have any figures but i imagine the vast majority of fraud is of this nature. Somebody is persuaded to compromise their machine or hand over bank details. A dear old friend of my Brothers got caught. She was in her 90's went to the bank and gave the scammers (Who she thought were the police) £8,000. She's dead now, but it was very upsetting to see a poor old lady treated like this. But now modern scammers rarely meet their victims its all done by tricking you on the internet. I mean how easy is it to get enough info on someone to take out a loan in their name. Even getting a quote for insurance requires enough personal info to open a bank account. I think its only a matter of time before ne of us oh so clever people on here who think we are impervious get caught. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 16:10:20 GMT
My apologies . Your passive aggressive hyperbolic reply made me forget . Yes it’s different . One allows you to drive a car and the other allows you to sell goods or set up a website on the internet ( I assume you need the latter to facilitate the former) . I don’t see a connection unless you think that any licence to do one thing is the same as a licence to do anything else . Men should need a licence to go outdoors after dark because one already needs a licence to drive an HGV? Well any trading business has to jump through a series of regulatory hoops in order to trade in the UK. You have to register the directors and get constant visits from various government officials to check you are following the rules. So as a business I don't see any problem with having a licence key that customers can get against a database. I already gave you the similarities. Assuming your objection to having to register your website by giving your details, then the similarity is very much the things I listed. Why do the government need my age and home address for me to drive a car, its to prevent me breaking the law, just the same reason as to why you might need one to go on the internet. You keep jumping from ‘ going on the internet’ to ‘ trading on the internet’. You can construct similarities from anywhere but it doesn’t support your argument . We need a licence to drive an HGV because it prevents me from breaking the law so I should be compelled to have a licence when doing any activity where I could potentially break the law ? |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 16:11:10 GMT
I thought the bogus invoice was an old trick. In the old days they sent it through the post . Possibly. I wonder if it died out and then was reborn on the internet. |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 16:13:41 GMT
Well any trading business has to jump through a series of regulatory hoops in order to trade in the UK. You have to register the directors and get constant visits from various government officials to check you are following the rules. So as a business I don't see any problem with having a licence key that customers can get against a database. I already gave you the similarities. Assuming your objection to having to register your website by giving your details, then the similarity is very much the things I listed. Why do the government need my age and home address for me to drive a car, its to prevent me breaking the law, just the same reason as to why you might need one to go on the internet. You keep jumping from ‘ going on the internet’ to ‘ trading on the internet’. You can construct similarities from anywhere but it doesn’t support your argument . We need a licence to drive an HGV because it prevents me from breaking the law so I should be compelled to have a licence when doing any activity where I could potentially break the law ?
Only where the risk is high, the damage considerable and the chances of getting caught low. Would be interesting to hear your alternatives as well. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 16:15:12 GMT
I thought the bogus invoice was an old trick. In the old days they sent it through the post . Possibly. I wonder if it died out and then was reborn on the internet. It looks like it . Nothing is new . “ But the biggest nuisance was the carbon-paper salesman. In those days offices consumed a large amount of carbon paper and, value for weight, it was the most expensive item in the office. Carbon paper scams abounded. The unsuspecting secretary would order a “box” of carbon paper, expecting a hundred sheets, and end up with a box that had to be craned into the office through the window at a cost of many hundreds of pounds. We were constantly on guard against the carbon-paper scammers who were every bit as annoying and costly as today’s scammers and spammers.” www.macfilos.com/2011/04/02/2011-4-2-getting-things-done-in-the-1970s-office-history-part-ii-html/ |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 16:25:06 GMT
You keep jumping from ‘ going on the internet’ to ‘ trading on the internet’. You can construct similarities from anywhere but it doesn’t support your argument . We need a licence to drive an HGV because it prevents me from breaking the law so I should be compelled to have a licence when doing any activity where I could potentially break the law ?
Only where the risk is high, the damage considerable and the chances of getting caught low. Would be interesting to hear your alternatives as well. Well I don’t see how having a licence to fly a plane is a compelling argument for me to need a licence to access the internet , use a search engine or join a group. I don’t see how having a licence to ride a motorcycle is a compelling argument for me to need a licence for setting up a website to sell my drawings or promote kettle bell sessions in the local church hall. If there was a huge increase in burglaries there would be some people who would seriously suggest a night time curfew except for a few people who had the appropriate licence . Others might suggest better locks on doors . |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2023 16:36:54 GMT
Zany, What you need to do is keep a list of your suppliers on a notebook text file on your desktop. When a bill comes in, put the cursor at the top of the file and do a search for the company name. Something like that. We now require all invoices to carry a unique code which we issue. Any invoice without its code does not get paid. But we did lose about £800 before someone spotted it happening. So, how did these fraudsters ask you to pay the bill? - by leaving unmarked bills in public wastepaper basket? |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2023 16:46:55 GMT
I think its only a matter of time before ne of us oh so clever people on here who think we are impervious get caught. You are interpreting or seeing glibness - i feel no such thing. If you have been a victim of this recently, you have my sincere sympathy. |
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 16:56:16 GMT
I downloaded new windows os on my laptop a few years ago.
Coincidentally someone who claimed that they from Microsoft phoned me the same day and nearly got me to download a app that would allow them to correct a fault.
I had an email from a company who was about to resurface my drive informing me that there was a price rise and by the way I needed to give them a hefty deposit.
Both of those were scams and I was a click of a button away from bring duped .
No one is too clever to be scammed in one way or another.
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2023 17:11:47 GMT
There are a couple of general rules that are a good baseline starting point -
Nobody will EVER, EVER, EVER phone you to help with your computer. Even if you have a paid support arrangement with someone and there really is something wrong with your computer, nobody will know this and nobody will phone you even if they (somehow) find out. Typically, you will be lucky if you can phone them.
All emails asking you to interact directly with / through the email in some way - ie clicking a link or opening an attachment - should be treated with suspicion.
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Post by Bentley on May 17, 2023 17:21:57 GMT
There are a couple of general rules that are a good baseline starting point - Nobody will EVER, EVER, EVER phone you to help with your computer. Even if you have a paid support arrangement with someone and there really is something wrong with your computer, nobody will know this and nobody will phone you even if they (somehow) find out. Typically, you will be lucky if you can phone them. All emails asking you to interact directly with / through the email in some way - ie clicking a link or opening an attachment - should be treated with suspicion. Indeed. All stuff that is repeated and understood now but not so much then. I did once have a genuine phone call from my bank about 20 odd years ago but never before or since . |
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Post by zanygame on May 17, 2023 17:25:17 GMT
Possibly. I wonder if it died out and then was reborn on the internet. It looks like it . Nothing is new . “ But the biggest nuisance was the carbon-paper salesman. In those days offices consumed a large amount of carbon paper and, value for weight, it was the most expensive item in the office. Carbon paper scams abounded. The unsuspecting secretary would order a “box” of carbon paper, expecting a hundred sheets, and end up with a box that had to be craned into the office through the window at a cost of many hundreds of pounds. We were constantly on guard against the carbon-paper scammers who were every bit as annoying and costly as today’s scammers and spammers.” www.macfilos.com/2011/04/02/2011-4-2-getting-things-done-in-the-1970s-office-history-part-ii-html/Lol. Nothing changes. "Left a bit with the crane Charlie." I'll read the history of getting things done later, but the first few lines point out how many office jobs have been sacrificed to the computer. |
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