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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 9, 2023 13:35:09 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned?
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 13:41:25 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? They'll ban drugs and crime next and that'll be an end to it. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 9, 2023 13:49:00 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? The effect of the ban is likely to lower the price of tobacco. You see the black market is what some have called the only true free market. A free market is a market which is unaffected by government intervention. As the entire tobacco market becomes a free market, so it will optimise its efficiency. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 9, 2023 13:56:19 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? They'll ban drugs and crime next and that'll be an end to it. Well yes, quite. As soon as I saw this story I was immediately reminded of what a success banning drugs has been. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 9, 2023 13:57:13 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? Just LBC click bait. The body of their own article as you copied does not back their idiot headline and your thread title. Even the Daily Mail hasn't copied their idiocy (DT did) To consult on something is not a decision. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 13:58:40 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? The effect of the ban is likely to lower the price of tobacco. You see the black market is what some have called the only true free market. A free market is a market which is unaffected by government intervention. As the entire tobacco market becomes a free market, so it will optimise its efficiency. Not how the legalisation of cannabis in Canada has worked out. They can have weed delivered to their door within an hour at a third of the price here and the black market has virtually collapsed. We prefer to have a multi-billion pound industry untaxed with all the proceeds going to organised crime and Albanian people traffickers. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 14:00:11 GMT
They'll ban drugs and crime next and that'll be an end to it. Well yes, quite. As soon as I saw this story I was immediately reminded of what a success banning drugs has been. On the plus side I will be able to subsidise my pension by buying tobacco for teenagers. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 14:05:51 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? The body of their own article as you copied does not back their idiot headline and your thread title. Even the Daily Mail hasn't copied their idiocy (DT did) To consult on something is not a decision. Far from it. I already posted on one of the thread’s where some labour prick of an MP was all for it and said they would use the New Zealand model. Even that policy they have to steal from others. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 14:06:56 GMT
They'll ban drugs and crime next and that'll be an end to it. Well yes, quite. As soon as I saw this story I was immediately reminded of what a success banning drugs has been. And prostitution mate. When has banning anything ever worked? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 9, 2023 14:07:07 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? The effect of the ban is likely to lower the price of tobacco. You see the black market is what some have called the only true free market. A free market is a market which is unaffected by government intervention. As the entire tobacco market becomes a free market, so it will optimise its efficiency. I've been reading up on this, the seizures of counterfeit tobacco in this country are absolutely colossal. Yet it doesn't seem to affect the amount of counterfeit tobacco that's for sale all over the country, which shows how much is getting in. I'm not sure banning the sale of tobacco would lower the counterfeit price of tobacco, but it would certainly be a boost for smugglers. Any government who thinks banning tobacco will stop people smoking should take a look at the drugs trade. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 9, 2023 14:09:05 GMT
Well yes, quite. As soon as I saw this story I was immediately reminded of what a success banning drugs has been. On the plus side I will be able to subsidise my pension by buying tobacco for teenagers. LOL. Ever the entrepreneur who never misses a business opportunity. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 9, 2023 14:11:36 GMT
Well yes, quite. As soon as I saw this story I was immediately reminded of what a success banning drugs has been. And prostitution mate. When has banning anything ever worked? Indeed, the oldest profession in the world and a glowing example of how banning things is not always the answer. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 14:18:21 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? Logically, the ban on selling harmful tobacco products appears long overdue. The connection between lung cancer (just one disease) and tobacco smoking has been known for 70 years. Other killer effects of smoking — and not only to the smokers themselves — have become apparent since.
Arguments against banning and restricting tobacco have ranged from the impact on employment in growing and manufacturing, the loss of tax and duty income to government, the positive effects on mood and performance, and the closure of pubs.
Lobbying against tobacco restrictions follows a similar pattern to that of the fossil fuel industries — rich producers and marketing companies recruit and pay academics and researchers to query findings and feed misinformation into the academic and public domain, and fund extensive re-education programmes for medical commentators and the news media...
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 14:23:47 GMT
On the plus side I will be able to subsidise my pension by buying tobacco for teenagers. LOL. Ever the entrepreneur who never misses a business opportunity. Who do you think has been employing all those Albanians? They don't call me Don Monte for nothing... |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 14:25:52 GMT
End of the cigarette? Labour unveil plan to wipe out smoking by 2030 by banning sale of tobacco.The sale of cigarettes could be phased out if Labour win the next general election, in a bid to improve public health and ease pressure on the NHS. Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said the party will consult on a package of measures, including a New Zealand-style gradual ban on tobacco. The government in Wellington introduced a law last year to raise the minimum age to buy cigarettes every year, meaning anyone born after 2008 is effectively banned. www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/labour-could-ban-cigarettes-to-wipe-out-smoking-by-2030-if-they-get-into-power/Labour seem to be keen on banning things, the latest being tobacco. As a none smoker I'm not particularly bothered, but I do have a nagging feeling that says; if someone wants to smoke, it's their business. And of course, tobacco smuggling is absolutely rife. Millions of smuggled cigarettes and packs of loose tobacco are confiscated by customs and trading standards every year, yet it's estimated that 46% of all tobacco smoked in this country is counterfeit with the vast majority of it coming from illicit factories in the borderless EU. Tobacco smuggling is a massive problem now, surely it will only get worse if tobacco is banned? Logically, the ban on selling harmful tobacco products appears long overdue. The connection between lung cancer (just one disease) and tobacco smoking has been known for 70 years. Other killer effects of smoking — and not only to the smokers themselves — have become apparent since.
Arguments against banning and restricting tobacco have ranged from the impact on employment in growing and manufacturing, the loss of tax and duty income to government, the positive effects on mood and performance, and the closure of pubs.
Lobbying against tobacco restrictions follows a similar pattern to that of the fossil fuel industries — rich producers and marketing companies recruit and pay academics and researchers to query findings and feed misinformation into the academic and public domain, and fund extensive re-education programmes for medical commentators and the news media...
So what happened to personal choice? |
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