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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 17:37:56 GMT
I wasn’t aware foxes were big tobacco users.If they were, they might not have reached the numbers to become the urban pests they currently are… FFS I was giving that as an example of attempts at banning. Supposedly fox hunting has been banned but the hunters have different ideas the police attend these hunts just to keep the groups apart ie the pro hunters and the anti hunters or animal rights groups just to keep the peice. The police have neither the resources or the inclination to split arse across the countryside to see if a fox is killed ot not by hounds. Now that happens in broad daylught so how are they gong to enforce this stupid propsed tobbaco ban? Most people will smoke when they are in their own homes or driving or maybe a walk in the park etc.This is yet another lefty madcap idea put forward by a frigging lunatic that hasn't even thought about the practicalities. And just suppose they did catch anyone what would the fine be and would it incur a criminal record to the person that was caught? Face it, like asbestos for effective insulation, it makes sense for tobacco use to be banned even in your own home. Though unlike asbestos, tobacco has no verifiable redeeming qualities other than as a bug killer in its nicotine form… |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 17:39:21 GMT
Bill splashed out quite a lot for those cigars apparently. Reports were that it was Monica’s dress he splashed out on… She gave him a right mouthful for doing that ..allegedly. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 17:44:05 GMT
FFS I was giving that as an example of attempts at banning. Supposedly fox hunting has been banned but the hunters have different ideas the police attend these hunts just to keep the groups apart ie the pro hunters and the anti hunters or animal rights groups just to keep the peice. The police have neither the resources or the inclination to split arse across the countryside to see if a fox is killed ot not by hounds. Now that happens in broad daylught so how are they gong to enforce this stupid propsed tobbaco ban? Most people will smoke when they are in their own homes or driving or maybe a walk in the park etc.This is yet another lefty madcap idea put forward by a frigging lunatic that hasn't even thought about the practicalities. And just suppose they did catch anyone what would the fine be and would it incur a criminal record to the person that was caught? Though unlike asbestos, tobacco has no verifiable redeeming qualities other than as a bug killer in its nicotine form… Of course it makes no sense. Did proaibition work in the USA? No it bloody didn't but it did make the likes of Al capone etc multi billionaires. Where ever there is a market there are those who will satisfy the market be it legal or illegal. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 17:47:57 GMT
Some lefties tell us that legalising ‘ drugs’ will reduce gang crime and make drug taking safer for addicts , bring in taxes etc .
So why do lefties want to ban tobacco?
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 18:32:28 GMT
Face it, like asbestos for effective insulation, it makes sense for tobacco use to be banned even in your own home. Though unlike asbestos, tobacco has no verifiable redeeming qualities other than as a bug killer in its nicotine form… Of course it makes no sense. Did proaibition work in the USA? No it bloody didn't but it did make the likes of Al capone etc multi billionaires. Where ever there is a market there are those who will satisfy the market be it legal or illegal. This isn’t the USA but, even there, Al Capone ended up in jail. And I don’t see that because banning something unnecessary and harmful is difficult, it shouldn’t be done, whatever excuses it’s addicts or financial beneficiaries come up with… |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 18:35:39 GMT
Of course it makes no sense. Did proaibition work in the USA? No it bloody didn't but it did make the likes of Al capone etc multi billionaires. Where ever there is a market there are those who will satisfy the market be it legal or illegal. And I don’t see that because banning something unnecessary and harmful is difficult, it shouldn’t be done, whatever excuses it’s addicts or financial beneficiaries come up with… Who said it was? I am still waiting for you to explain how it could be enforced. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 18:39:56 GMT
Some lefties tell us that legalising ‘ drugs’ will reduce gang crime and make drug taking safer for addicts , bring in taxes etc . So why do lefties want to ba Tobacco is legalised for general use, as was opium a hundred years ago. Doesn’t mean to say that once their negatives are identified, such dangerous substances should remain generally available… |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 18:41:41 GMT
Some lefties tell us that legalising ‘ drugs’ will reduce gang crime and make drug taking safer for addicts , bring in taxes etc . So why do lefties want to ba Tobacco is legalised for general use, as was opium a hundred years ago. Doesn’t mean to say that once their negatives are identified, such dangerous substances should remain generally available… A post that does just about everything but address the post it was a reply to. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 9, 2023 18:42:18 GMT
Some lefties tell us that legalising ‘ drugs’ will reduce gang crime and make drug taking safer for addicts , bring in taxes etc . So why do lefties want to ban tobacco? Dopamine.
It's a neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain works at a fundamental level in the way operant conditioning works, i.e. carrot and stick method. If you do something which your brain regards as a positive result it will give you a hit of this dopamine as a reward, like say you come first in a race and everyone cheers, you would feel a bit of a high. Well that's dopamine and it can become addictive. This is not a problem in nature because to keep on winning and getting dopamine hits is where you will survive. Likewise sex also involves dopamine. It's training your brain to do stuff it instinctively aught to do. However smoking is also a dopamine hit, and as with all drugs you can build up a tolerance if there is a lot of dopamine in your brain, so it becomes a case of similar to needing to drink ten pints in order to get pissed. One more thing that triggers dopamine release is social media, advertising, brainwashing etc, whatever you want to call it. I mean stuff produced by corporations is likewise training your brain with dopamine hits. It's very smart this, and few understand it. Anyhow if you build up a dopamine tolerance with tobacco you are harder to train with brainwashing. You will be a lot more what they call level-headed rather than hormonal.
I think this is the real reason. No one told the proles that burning a bonfire where you are burning other dry leaves is equally bad for your health. The unhealthy chemical in tobacco smoke is also present in barbecued meat. No one told the prole to watch out for that either.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 18:42:57 GMT
Of course it makes no sense. Did proaibition work in the USA? No it bloody didn't but it did make the likes of Al capone etc multi billionaires. Where ever there is a market there are those who will satisfy the market be it legal or illegal. This isn’t the USA but, even there, Al Capone ended up in jail. And I don’t see that because banning something unnecessary and harmful is difficult, it shouldn’t be done, whatever excuses it’s addicts or financial beneficiaries come up with… So long as you are prepared to make up for the loss of tax revenue to pay for the ailing NHS it's all good. Currently over £10,000,000,000 a year. That's around £200 million a week to the NHS. I should write that on a bus. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 18:45:24 GMT
Some lefties tell us that legalising ‘ drugs’ will reduce gang crime and make drug taking safer for addicts , bring in taxes etc . So why do lefties want to ban tobacco? Dopamine.
It's a neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain works at a fundamental level in the way operant conditioning works, i.e. carrot and stick method. If you do something which your brain regards as a positive result it will give you a hit of this dopamine as a reward, like say you come first in a race and everyone cheers, you would feel a bit of a high. Well that's dopamine and it can become addictive. This is not a problem in nature because to keep on winning and getting dopamine hits is where you will survive. Likewise sex also involves dopamine. It's training your brain to do stuff it instinctively aught to do. However smoking is also a dopamine hit, and as with all drugs you can build up a tolerance if there is a lot of dopamine in your brain, so it becomes a case of similar to needing to drink ten pints in order to get pissed. One more thing that triggers dopamine release is social media, advertising, brainwashing etc, whatever you want to call it. I mean stuff produced by corporations is likewise training your brain with dopamine hits. It's very smart this, and few understand it. Anyhow if you build up a dopamine tolerance with tobacco you are harder to train with brainwashing. You will be a lot more what they call level-headed rather than hormonal.
I think this is the real reason. No one told the proles that burning a bonfire where you are burning other dry leaves is equally bad for your health. The unhealthy chemical in tobacco smoke is also present in barbecued meat. No one told the prole to watch out for that either.
Another post that avoids the point raised and tries to mansplain ( with knobs on) about something we all know about ..dopamine this time |
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 18:47:41 GMT
This isn’t the USA but, even there, Al Capone ended up in jail. And I don’t see that because banning something unnecessary and harmful is difficult, it shouldn’t be done, whatever excuses it’s addicts or financial beneficiaries come up with… Who said it was? I am still waiting for you to explain how it could be enforced. Same as any law should be enforced, whether drunken driving, back street abortion, mugging, etc, by competent policing, education, and regularised punishment. Pleading police forces are unable to deal with particular unlawful activities, indicates that police forces are inefficient rather than things shouldn’t be unlawful… |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 18:48:36 GMT
This isn’t the USA but, even there, Al Capone ended up in jail. And I don’t see that because banning something unnecessary and harmful is difficult, it shouldn’t be done, whatever excuses it’s addicts or financial beneficiaries come up with… So long as you are prepared to make up for the loss of tax revenue to pay for the ailing NHS it's all good. Currently over £10,000,000,000 a year. That's around £200 million a week to the NHS. I should write that on a bus. Tobacco is the perfect drug for society. You get the punters to pay exorbitant tax on a drug that has no particular mind altering effects and it kills a great deal of them before they get old enough for a state pension. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 18:49:30 GMT
Some lefties tell us that legalising ‘ drugs’ will reduce gang crime and make drug taking safer for addicts , bring in taxes etc . So why do lefties want to ban tobacco? Dopamine.
It's a neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain works at a fundamental level in the way operant conditioning works, i.e. carrot and stick method. If you do something which your brain regards as a positive result it will give you a hit of this dopamine as a reward, like say you come first in a race and everyone cheers, you would feel a bit of a high. Well that's dopamine and it can become addictive. This is not a problem in nature because to keep on winning and getting dopamine hits is where you will survive. Likewise sex also involves dopamine. It's training your brain to do stuff it instinctively aught to do. However smoking is also a dopamine hit, and as with all drugs you can build up a tolerance if there is a lot of dopamine in your brain, so it becomes a case of similar to needing to drink ten pints in order to get pissed. One more thing that triggers dopamine release is social media, advertising, brainwashing etc, whatever you want to call it. I mean stuff produced by corporations is likewise training your brain with dopamine hits. It's very smart this, and few understand it. Anyhow if you build up a dopamine tolerance with tobacco you are harder to train with brainwashing. You will be a lot more what they call level-headed rather than hormonal.
I think this is the real reason. No one told the proles that burning a bonfire where you are burning other dry leaves is equally bad for your health. The unhealthy chemical in tobacco smoke is also present in barbecued meat. No one told the prole to watch out for that either.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 18:51:50 GMT
So long as you are prepared to make up for the loss of tax revenue to pay for the ailing NHS it's all good. Currently over £10,000,000,000 a year. That's around £200 million a week to the NHS. I should write that on a bus. Tobacco is the perfect drug for society. You get the punters to pay exorbitant tax on a drug that has no particular mind altering effects and it kills a great deal of them before they get old enough for a state pension. It's a major part of my retirement plan. Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful body. |
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