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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 18:55:35 GMT
Tobacco is the perfect drug for society. You get the punters to pay exorbitant tax on a drug that has no particular mind altering effects and it kills a great deal of them before they get old enough for a state pension. It's a major part of my retirement plan. Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful body. With sun tanned fingers . |
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 19:02:37 GMT
This isn’t the USA but, even there, Al Capone ended up in jail. And I don’t see that because banning something unnecessary and harmful is difficult, it shouldn’t be done, whatever excuses it’s addicts or financial beneficiaries come up with… So long as you are prepared to make up for the loss of tax revenue to pay for the ailing NHS it's all good. Currently over £10,000,000,000 a year. That's around £200 million a week to the NHS. I should write that on a bus. How much health service and welfare expenditure is due to the harmful effects of tobacco smoking? Its major downsides are addiction, inhibited brain development, exacerbated tumour growth, increased pulmonary disease. Seems to me allowing people to kill themselves for the sake of extra tax income is Soviet style state management… |
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 19:03:31 GMT
It's a major part of my retirement plan. Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful body. With sun tanned fingers . And a kippered torso… |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 19:07:23 GMT
So long as you are prepared to make up for the loss of tax revenue to pay for the ailing NHS it's all good. Currently over £10,000,000,000 a year. That's around £200 million a week to the NHS. I should write that on a bus. How much health service and welfare expenditure is due to the harmful effects of tobacco smoking? Its major downsides are addiction, inhibited brain development, exacerbated tumour growth, increased pulmonary disease. Seems to me allowing people to kill themselves for the sake of extra tax income is Soviet style state management… About £2.5 billion a year. That's a net value to society of £7.5 billion a year. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 19:09:29 GMT
It's a major part of my retirement plan. Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful body. With sun tanned fingers . I've already left a beautiful body. It's under the patio if anyone asks. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 9, 2023 19:23:07 GMT
Dopamine.
It's a neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain works at a fundamental level in the way operant conditioning works, i.e. carrot and stick method. If you do something which your brain regards as a positive result it will give you a hit of this dopamine as a reward, like say you come first in a race and everyone cheers, you would feel a bit of a high. Well that's dopamine and it can become addictive. This is not a problem in nature because to keep on winning and getting dopamine hits is where you will survive. Likewise sex also involves dopamine. It's training your brain to do stuff it instinctively aught to do. However smoking is also a dopamine hit, and as with all drugs you can build up a tolerance if there is a lot of dopamine in your brain, so it becomes a case of similar to needing to drink ten pints in order to get pissed. One more thing that triggers dopamine release is social media, advertising, brainwashing etc, whatever you want to call it. I mean stuff produced by corporations is likewise training your brain with dopamine hits. It's very smart this, and few understand it. Anyhow if you build up a dopamine tolerance with tobacco you are harder to train with brainwashing. You will be a lot more what they call level-headed rather than hormonal.
I think this is the real reason. No one told the proles that burning a bonfire where you are burning other dry leaves is equally bad for your health. The unhealthy chemical in tobacco smoke is also present in barbecued meat. No one told the prole to watch out for that either.
Another post that avoids the point raised and tries to mansplain ( with knobs on) about something we all know about ..dopamine this time Well just fuck off then. I will not bother to answer your questions. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 19:23:54 GMT
Another post that avoids the point raised and tries to mansplain ( with knobs on) about something we all know about ..dopamine this time Well just fuck off then. I will not bother to answer your questions. You didn’t even try. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 9, 2023 19:28:32 GMT
Well just fuck off then. I will not bother to answer your questions. You didn’t even try. I posted that in good faith and you turned around and gave me a load of bollox about it. It shows how dumb you are. I mean far dumber than Diane Abbott. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 9, 2023 19:40:38 GMT
Dopamine.
It's a neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain works at a fundamental level in the way operant conditioning works, i.e. carrot and stick method. If you do something which your brain regards as a positive result it will give you a hit of this dopamine as a reward, like say you come first in a race and everyone cheers, you would feel a bit of a high. Well that's dopamine and it can become addictive. This is not a problem in nature because to keep on winning and getting dopamine hits is where you will survive. Likewise sex also involves dopamine. It's training your brain to do stuff it instinctively aught to do. However smoking is also a dopamine hit, and as with all drugs you can build up a tolerance if there is a lot of dopamine in your brain, so it becomes a case of similar to needing to drink ten pints in order to get pissed. One more thing that triggers dopamine release is social media, advertising, brainwashing etc, whatever you want to call it. I mean stuff produced by corporations is likewise training your brain with dopamine hits. It's very smart this, and few understand it. Anyhow if you build up a dopamine tolerance with tobacco you are harder to train with brainwashing. You will be a lot more what they call level-headed rather than hormonal.
I think this is the real reason. No one told the proles that burning a bonfire where you are burning other dry leaves is equally bad for your health. The unhealthy chemical in tobacco smoke is also present in barbecued meat. No one told the prole to watch out for that either.
Another post that avoids the point raised and tries to mansplain ( with knobs on) about something we all know about ..dopamine this time It's a great answer to a question nobody asked. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 9, 2023 19:41:13 GMT
So long as you are prepared to make up for the loss of tax revenue to pay for the ailing NHS it's all good. Currently over £10,000,000,000 a year. That's around £200 million a week to the NHS. I should write that on a bus. How much health service and welfare expenditure is due to the harmful effects of tobacco smoking? Its major downsides are addiction, inhibited brain development, exacerbated tumour growth, increased pulmonary disease. Seems to me allowing people to kill themselves for the sake of extra tax income is Soviet style state management… Pat, how far do you think the nanny state should intrude into our lives? How much regulation and 'guidance' do you think people need? Or perhaps a more pertinent question is; How much regulation and 'guidance' do you think people will be prepared to put up with? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 19:45:35 GMT
I posted that in good faith and you turned around and gave me a load of bollox about it. It shows how dumb you are. I mean far dumber than Diane Abbott. You posted your own shit to bathe in its glory. It has Fuck all to do with the post you answered. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 9, 2023 19:46:25 GMT
Another post that avoids the point raised and tries to mansplain ( with knobs on) about something we all know about ..dopamine this time It's a great answer to a question nobody asked. Exactly . |
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Post by Steve on Jan 9, 2023 21:24:53 GMT
Just LBC click bait. The body of their own article as you copied does not back their idiot headline and your thread title. Even the Daily Mail hasn't copied their idiocy (DT did) To consult on something is not a decision. Far from it. I already posted on one of the thread’s where some labour prick of an MP was all for it and said they would use the New Zealand model. Even that policy they have to steal from others. Yes you did post there and seems you missed the word 'could' there too in the article. Not the same as ''will' Either you or I 'could' win the lottery big time but that doesn't mean we 'will' win it big time because the probability is not good. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 21:44:32 GMT
Far from it. I already posted on one of the thread’s where some labour prick of an MP was all for it and said they would use the New Zealand model. Even that policy they have to steal from others. Yes you did post there and seems you missed the word 'could' there too in the article. Not the same as ''will' Either you or I 'could' win the lottery big time but that doesn't mean we 'will' win it big time because the probability is not good. FFS the usual. Even a proposal of them doing it is a frigging joke as this is the mad clap world of labour. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 10, 2023 11:49:17 GMT
How much health service and welfare expenditure is due to the harmful effects of tobacco smoking? Its major downsides are addiction, inhibited brain development, exacerbated tumour growth, increased pulmonary disease. Seems to me allowing people to kill themselves for the sake of extra tax income is Soviet style state management… Pat, how far do you think the nanny state should intrude into our lives? How much regulation and 'guidance' do you think people need? Or perhaps a more pertinent question is; How much regulation and 'guidance' do you think people will be prepared to put up with? Do you wear a seat belt while driving, drive on the left, generally pay attention to speed limits, respect pedestrian crossings, etc, etc, etc? Are you content to have officials inspect and ensure local cafes, food shops, restaurants, etc, keep up food safety standards? Do you believe there should be laws that insist all children should receive education? These and many other restrictions, rules and legally required services and standards have been put in place over the years for the public good and personal wellbeing. There are cases where individuals and some groups intentionally ignore rules the public generally accept. And I’ve no doubt a blanket ban on tobacco sales and smoking will be treated similarly. But over time — as with clunk-click — it will be accepted and enacted by the majority (or survivors, as they’ll grow to be known)… |
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