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Post by Bentley on Nov 25, 2024 14:24:02 GMT
Leavers certainly didn’t ignore the constant whining of remainers in whatever form they wanted to whine . Also everyone knows that a petition will not result in another general election just as any poll that shows a high percentage of people wanting to rejoin the EU will not in itself result in another referendum. I don’t think you have a point at all . What you have is Whataboutery. I actually agree with you, other than the last two sentences. I've no idea why you added them on other than to have a dig? 🤷♂️ I think both were valid points . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 25, 2024 11:25:33 GMT
LOL! But not so the "Peoples Vote"? Which was totally absurd given that the real peoples vote was the referendum.
Come now, Andy - I think you're being a little disingenuous.
Well, you're correct in that I am being provocative. My point is that the people who ignored the petition previously are now trying to promote a petition. That's a valid point I'm raising, but the answers that I'm getting sound like General Melchett's pigeon. Leavers certainly didn’t ignore the constant whining of remainers in whatever form they wanted to whine . Also everyone knows that a petition will not result in another general election just as any poll that shows a high percentage of people wanting to rejoin the EU will not in itself result in another referendum. I don’t think you have a point at all . What you have is Whataboutery. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 22:13:24 GMT
And, in the interests of balance, perhaps you could tell us how many key policy pledges it's acceptable for a governing party to renege on? Well of course if the public don't feel that they carried out the manifesto that they said they would, then they get voted out at the next election. That's what happened to the Tories, and if that is what the people decide happens to Labour in 2029 then fair enough. My point is that the whole thing is rather childish, but it does appeal to the hyperbole posters on here. I'm surprised at you giving it much thought to be honest, Russian bots , childish , anything but a significant number of people expressing dissatisfaction with the Labour government eh? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 21:38:01 GMT
1.6 million 😁
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 19:54:56 GMT
Personally I think that society will be as easy with it as it is with abortion .
I’ve heard a foetus being defined as a parasite and I fully expect a senile adult to be considered the same a generation or two after a ‘ right to die ‘ law is passed.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 16:23:47 GMT
The current bill might . That doesn’t mean it always will. There will always be situations where the law as it stands will be unfair . I doubt if the present Bill will come to pass. I’m not sure whether that’s a good thing . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 16:07:25 GMT
The Bill should it happen makes it quite clear the only person that can ask for Euthanasia is the person who wants to end their suffering their constant pain must be of sound enough mind to make that decision, a person who has dementia or mental illness would not be allowed to ask for it and must take the Medication to end their life themselves. No other person can full stop The current bill might . That doesn’t mean it always will. There will always be situations where the law as it stands will be unfair . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 16:01:56 GMT
Therein lies the problem. We have mission creep even before the law is established. You have a very good case to extend the right to die for Alzheimer’s. My relation is in constant pain with osteoporosis and has told me that he wishes he was dead. Should we allow him the right to die? If we establish that perceived quality of life is a qualification for the right to die then mental illness, Parkinson’s ,MS etc might qualify. The right to die could become a solution to a social problem as abortion has become . I that may be a good thing and it may not . What you call mission creep, I call cowardice. Cowardice because for fear of the dark we would deny a large number of people autonomy over their own lives. Should we allow someone who wants to die, the right to die. Damned right we should. Assuming proper procedures are followed. You can call it Kevin if you want but it’s still mission creep. The fact that call it cowardice merely means that you want to virtue signal and be argumentative behind the mind zone . You have been around enough to have seen that good intentions tend to lead to not so good intentions. If you want it to be all about you then tell us that . If you want to have a rational debate about a very controversial and emotional subject then don’t insult views that might not suit your current emotional state . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 12:37:11 GMT
Therein lies the problem.
We have mission creep even before the law is established.
You have a very good case to extend the right to die for Alzheimer’s.
My relation is in constant pain with osteoporosis and has told me that he wishes he was dead.
Should we allow him the right to die?
If we establish that perceived quality of life is a qualification for the right to die then mental illness, Parkinson’s ,MS etc might qualify.
The right to die could become a solution to a social problem as abortion has become .
I that may be a good thing and it may not .
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Post by Bentley on Nov 24, 2024 0:31:36 GMT
Such a shame. The lad from Southall was clued up I knew him for years, he showed me the bright lights of the west end. I remember he knew the underground like the back of his hand. I was 18 or 19 at the time and a wide eyed country kid, I'd never seen anything like it, but it was exiting. The few lads I knew from London all went back home after the army, but none of them stayed long. Within a couple of years they all moved out of London and not down the road either. Shropshire Lincolnshire and Norfolk. I see them all occasionally, and they all regret what's happened to London. Indeed. East Enders moved to Dagenham and Ilford until the crime rate made life intolerable and they moved further out. My father in law moved from Enfield to Cambridgeshire 35 years ago because of the crime . White flight is real . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2024 23:56:54 GMT
This is wonderful 😁
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2024 23:47:44 GMT
Technically that’s what cockneys are but everyone in the East End are happy to accept the title . I loved them and loved working with them . The banter , the humour and the piss taking was off the clock . yeah I lived just a few miles outside of Southend . My Mum was a proper East End girl dumped into the relative countryside. Incidentally my mum and Dad went back to Canning Town by train to reminisce. A black man made a move to mug them . They never went back . I don't know London, it's been years since I've been there but back in the day and I'm talking late 1970's & early 80's, I visited Tottenham, Croydon and Southall. My memories are vague, but I seem to remember Tottenham was a bit rough, Croydon was OK and Southall was little India. I suppose today, Tottenham is a bit rougher, Croydon is black gang central, and Southall is big India. How close am I?.. Spot on . I worked nights in Edmonton between 2000 - 2005 and witnessed the battle of IKEA www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1483272/Battle-of-Ikea-20-hurt-as-frenzied-mob-fights-over-49-sofas-on-opening-night.htmlI was warned not to venture far from the factory due to the risk of mugging but we creeped over to watch the fun. Just before I left …an Asian chappie randomly killed a few people near my factory . I often gave my mate a lift to Tottenham Hale station which was a few miles away . It was a shit hole . I lived on Canvey Island at that time . It was fucking paradise compared with North London . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2024 23:26:08 GMT
I was born in Forest Gate hospital and lived in Canning Town until I was 18 months when we moved out near Southend due to my late brother having acute asthma. Both my Mum and Dad came from Canning Town . technicality I need to have been born within the sound of Bow bells to be a cockney but I’m from the East End . I had the pleasure to do my 5 year apprenticeship in a factory that was in the exact place where the Olympic stadium now stands . So I have had a lot of exposure to propa geezers.😁 Sorry to hear about your brother. The 'cockneys' I knew weren't born within the sound of Bow bells, but they sounded cockney. I thought it was saafend? You must be a posh cockney. Technically that’s what cockneys are but everyone in the East End are happy to accept the title . I loved them and loved working with them . The banter , the humour and the piss taking was off the clock . yeah I lived just a few miles outside of Southend . My Mum was a proper East End girl dumped into the relative countryside. Incidentally my mum and Dad went back to Canning Town by train to reminisce.A black man made a move to mug them . They were in their 70s. They never went back . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2024 23:09:24 GMT
Imo Arthur Mullard and Warren Mitchell’s Alf Garnett is the nearest to the old cockney accent that I know . I’m talking about East Enders born before WW2 Mullards was a much lazier way to speak than the Essex accent and reminds me of the old boys in my family and working in Stratford in the early 70s. Bentley, are you a 'cockeny'?.. I was born in Forest Gate hospital and lived in Canning Town until I was 18 months when we moved out near Southend due to my late brother having acute asthma. Both my Mum and Dad came from Canning Town . technicality I need to have been born within the sound of Bow bells to be a cockney but I’m from the East End . I had the pleasure to do my 5 year apprenticeship in a factory that was in the exact place where the Olympic stadium now stands . So I have had a lot of exposure to propa geezers.😁 |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2024 22:06:31 GMT
Lefties don’t care if you like it or not . They have your children and grandchildren.
They are what matters .
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