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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 16:18:22 GMT
Unborn babies and old people .
The former is a legal genocide and the latter is a future one.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 13:20:54 GMT
It’s the 3rd world blame and compo hand out culture .
It seems to have seeped into UK society.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 13:18:17 GMT
If you thing that the petition is ‘ probably just therapeutic’ then you are saying that’s its insignificant no matter how many people sign it . So you think petitions in general are insignificant? I suspect that you are belittling a very significant expression of dissatisfaction of the government because you dont dare accept it . I'm saying that sometimes (not in general) collecting views in petitions probably just therapeutic. Wouldn't it be more effective in the current case to mobilise around local and by-elections to get the point across?
I can't stop your suspicions...
Those views may be reflected in local and by elections but the petition has been very effective. Effective enough to gain 2.5 million signatures ( and counting ) and effective enough to be belittled and accused of being a Russian bot exercise by labour supporters. I know you can’t. They are well founded. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:56:57 GMT
It’s not an act we need to clean up. We don’t need a ‘ good boy’ badge or be ashamed in any way for being pioneers of industrialisation. Disagree the first point — although admittedly the UK is ahead of many.
Agree your second point. But there's nothing wrong in the UK demonstrating (and benefiting from and marketing) how it is able to devise cleaner, greener processes and technologies...
Why should we clean up the act of being industrialisation pioneers ? There is nothing wrong in the UK introducing green energy at a pace that suits the UK and not a headlong rush . Benefitting from is debatable and marketing is nonsense . We don’t make the product , China does . China is one of the world’s highest CO2 producers . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:47:58 GMT
Well it has been pointed out that a petition cannot force another general election so you seem to be pointing out the obvious. The petition is just as relevant as pro EU surveys and demonstrations. 2.5 million people is a significant expression of dissatisfaction…and its growing . If 2.5 million peoples views are insignificant then we can dismiss any views from any group less than 2.5 million right? Maybe 3.5 million tomorrow 😉 I've never claimed that "2.5 million peoples views are insignificant". At appropriate times even tens of votes could change events. But at other times, collecting views in petitions is probably just therapuetic... If you thing that the petition is ‘ probably just therapeutic’ then you are saying that’s its insignificant no matter how many people sign it . So you think petitions in general are insignificant? I suspect that you are belittling a very significant expression of dissatisfaction of the government because you dont dare accept it . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:31:31 GMT
So what is the point of the UK (who only produces less than 1% of global CO2) going all out for this renewable energy to cut our emissions? After all if they are going to blow in from across the Channel anyway what is the point? I think you might finally be cottoning on to the basic problem with the dash to Net Zero. I reckon it's a good selling point for both the idea of and production of green technology if the first country to industrialise is now able to be one of the leaders in cleaning up its act... It’s not an act we need to clean up. We don’t need a ‘ good boy’ badge or be ashamed in any way for being pioneers of industrialisation. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:24:24 GMT
What percentage would be relevant? By itself, none.
The only votes that count for or against political parties in the UK are those that are cast at elections.
Governments survive while they have the confidence of parliament.
A recent (2016?) petition that wanted a change in the law so that UK citizens can force an immediate General Election got less than 15,000 signatures...
Well it has been pointed out that a petition cannot force another general election so you seem to be pointing out the obvious. The petition is just as relevant as pro EU surveys and demonstrations. 2.5 million people is a significant expression of dissatisfaction…and its growing . If 2.5 million peoples views are insignificant then we can dismiss any views from any group less than 2.5 million right? Maybe 3.5 million tomorrow 😉 |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:16:47 GMT
Unfortunately their Co2 refuses to stay in their country and effects our weather. Bloody foreign Co2 coming here ruining our air. So what is the point of the UK (who only produces less than 1% of global CO2) going all out for this renewable energy to cut our emissions? After all if they are going to blow in from across the Channel anyway what is the point? I think you might finally be cottoning on to the basic problem with the dash to Net Zero.Which has been pointed out time after time . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:14:58 GMT
I can imagine Rachel and co rolling their eyes and making incredulous gasps at their failures .
They can’t even blame the Tories now.
This could be a slow motion Liz Truss type situation .
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:04:02 GMT
Ah yes, victim blaming. Nice person. Theres nothing nice about lefty trolls... Looks like Andrew likes trolls as long as they are leftie trolls . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 12:02:04 GMT
I have never understood why fundamentalist Brexiteers and faragistes in general got so aereated by the presence of Eastern Europeans but appeared to be completely relaxed about the presence of several times as many subcontinentals, Africans, Orientals and sundry millions of others.
It obviously wasn't the numbers getting them excited, so what was it?
Who is relaxed?. On practically every issue people complain about the numbers of migrants. What is not an issue (except to certain people) is the idea that some barely educated doofus from the EU is a better migrant than an Indian with a PhD in Computer Science. Immigration based on qualifications and not the colour of your skin is the only way to grow the economy. Indeed. East Europeans are mentioned because they were East Europeans. East Europeans created insular communities within communities just as many Asian migrants did. Ex remainers just can’t help themselves . They have to try to squeeze in a racist factor in Brexit. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 11:50:50 GMT
Ah yes, victim blaming. Nice person. What victim blaming Andrew? Are you short on you morning quota of virtue signalling today or just making stuff up ? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 11:49:11 GMT
It’s only since the failure of immigration control that ex remainers have locked into it . In the first couple of years after Brexit many ex remainers concentrated on our inability to find find satisfactory trade deals with and beyond the EU. I often pointed out that the main reason that so many wanted Brexit was due to the flood of East Europeans into the UK but it was mostly disputed by whining Remainers. I have never understood why fundamentalist Brexiteers and faragistes in general got so aereated by the presence of Eastern Europeans but appeared to be completely relaxed about the presence of several times as many subcontinentals, Africans, Orientals and sundry millions of others.
It obviously wasn't the numbers getting them excited, so what was it?
They don’t . It was. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 11:47:12 GMT
Now 2,582,908 and still going  Still less than 1.5% of the electorate.
I guess it gives those that have signed a bit of a warm feeling — but like peeing down the inside of their trouser leg, the comfort is probably only transient...
What percentage would be relevant? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 26, 2024 11:37:55 GMT
I don't like bullying. Not only is it against the forum rules, but it also makes the perpetrator(s) cowards who need to be called out. Can I assume from your reply that you are OK with the bullying on here? There is no bullying on here . Just someone whining about nothing . |
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