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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 18:26:24 GMT
“Sure we could mitigate, build more reservoirs widen sluices add pumps, raise defences, but that is part of the cost of NOT tackling climate change that people wont discuss.” I disagree . Imo this the subject that net zero zealots won’t discuss…discuss the fact that even if the UK achieves net zero we will still have to do all of that . Why? Because it will make hardly any difference. You might be right now Trump is elected. So be prepared to be even worse off as the government hands out the bills to pay for completely redesigning our infrastructure to deal with weather it was never made for. Add to this the cost of adapting your own home. There's a reason roofs in Spain are white. Oh please ! Trumpdidit is the new Brexitdidit now. Trump or no Trump we will be paying it anyway …and the net zero zealots want us to pay billions to reduce the CO2 output by 1% as well. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 18:22:04 GMT
Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . Really. It has to be all or nothing? Make all our own cars or make none Make all our own energy or make none. I know you're being tongue in cheek, but you've gone and triggered Rebirth now.  But you were the one who claimed that as were not sufficient in any number of essential items then one more wouldn’t matter because we could buy it from abroad . So why farm at all? We could just import it . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 17:37:04 GMT
Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . The genius is managing to post an endless supply of insane nonsense and supporting everything that is odious and wrong. It gets the attention it seeks.
Wiki ”The UK has over time emitted about 3% of the world total human caused CO2, with a current rate under 1%, although the population is less than 1%” Our headlong rush to net zero will do literally nothing to stop ‘ climate change ‘. We are fitting useless heat pumps to houses not designed for them ( a gas engineer told me that he gets two or three calls a month asking him to change them to gas boilers . He refuses ) . We are woefully unprepared for EVs and we are covering the country with wind turbines and solar panels. It wouldn’t be so bad if the ‘ fossil fuel’ energy was still in place until the new technology was mature ..but that’s not going to happen . Its an ideological hobby horse supported by virtue signally lefties . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 17:14:28 GMT
I’d have more sympathy for this if this was a world wide headlong rush( it is a head long rush) . I live in Norfolk and fortunately we have had a reasonable crop of potatoes this year . We have some flooding this year but we found that clearing ditches did more than stop using diesel. Maybe the farmers in the Fens should try it . The fens are below sea level so all water has to be pumped out, Traditionally the fens are used as flood plain in winter to protect the surrounding villages. Last 3 years the water has still been flooding right up to May. The pumps and sluices can't cope. Sure we could mitigate, build more reservoirs widen sluices add pumps, raise defences, but that is part of the cost of NOT tackling climate change that people wont discuss. I do agree with you on maintaining ditches and waterways, though you need to widen the rivers they flow into as we now get more flash flooding due to intense rainfall than our country is designed for. Much of our country is very old and its difficult to widen rivers or raise banks when they go through historic towns. In the end stopping AGW will IMO cost less than not stopping it, and that applies across the civilised world. “Sure we could mitigate, build more reservoirs widen sluices add pumps, raise defences, but that is part of the cost of NOT tackling climate change that people wont discuss.” I disagree . Imo this the subject that net zero zealots won’t discuss…discuss the fact that even if the UK achieves net zero we will still have to do all of that . Why? Because it will make hardly any difference. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 16:35:39 GMT
“ Regarding self sufficiency in food.that stopped 4 decades ago.” Fair enough ..let’s just add to the problem . Not from my viewpoint. We aren't self sufficient in any number of essential items, everything from Copper to cotton. But so long as we don't fall out with the whole world someone will sell them to us Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 16:33:57 GMT
Yes that’s been acknowledged. The local area that is going to be used as a solar farm is used to grow sugar beet. I’m not sure about crop rotation but that’s the crop mentioned. The interesting figure would be yield, but I doubt we can get that. We can only surmise that if the yield was good the farmer wouldn't be switching to Solar. The farmer didn’t switch to solar , he has leased the land to the solar farm . I have not heard that the yield in that areas is less than anywhere else and if it were I’m sure he would have said . I suspect that he simply got more money than actually growing stuff . That doesn’t mean he made no money before |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 16:28:53 GMT
And that’s why the transfer to net zero should not be a headlong rush. Its hardly a headlong rush, we knew about AGW 40 years ago. 30 years ago scientists were warning something needed doing urgently. Here we are in 2024 talking about maybe doing something soonish. No one counts the cost of doing nothing. Farmers unable to plant crops because of water logged soil, tidal barriers being raised for hundreds of miles, record single day rainfalls causing 100 year events every other year and that's not Bangladesh, that's the UK. Hurricanes with unheard of wind speeds and wave heights hitting areas that never had anything like it before. Hurricane Helene cost America $53Bn on its own. How much renewable electricity would that pay for. And Two weeks later hurricane Milton cost another $50Bn . We have to stop thinking climate change is in the future, its costing money now. The Fens near where I live have lost first crops 3 years running and potato yields are halved. Its here now. We don't look like Venus yet but the effects and costs are here. I’d have more sympathy for this if this was a world wide headlong rush( it is a head long rush) . I live in Norfolk and fortunately we have had a reasonable crop of potatoes this year . We have some flooding this year but we found that clearing ditches did more than stop using diesel. Maybe the farmers in the Fens should try it . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 13:42:52 GMT
The government is intent to build huge swaths of solar farms and are imposing them to achieve net zero.
However they don’t seem to be that keen to build the infrastructure first EVs (ie a huge increase of charging stations ) to achieve net zero .
So maybe the intent is to reduce car ownership instead .
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 12:35:39 GMT
“ Regarding self sufficiency in food.that stopped 4 decades ago.”
Fair enough ..let’s just add to the problem .
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 12:25:38 GMT
And that basic principle applies equally to every other for of energy generation. This idea of yours that we need to ignore construction and maintenance costs of wind power and then 'voila!' wind power is cheaper is pure evangelism not hard headed finance. Don't talk bollox. We are talking about the difference between setting up a new business and maintaining and existing one. The difference is huge. If you don't get that you must be out of your league by a country Mike. And that’s why the transfer to net zero should not be a headlong rush. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 10:04:14 GMT
Funny you should say that part two. According to the solar farm planners there will be sheep grazing around the solar panels . Not only that but there will be a shit load of ‘ bio diversity’ around too. Around our village there has been a lot of pockets of land planted with different types of plants suitable for bees and butterflies etc .I suspect they could be used to grow crops after the solar panels are erected . I don’t imagine that net zero will stop farms producing meat . There are huge parts of our fields here used to grow ,hay, straw and animal feeds ( as well as biofuel) , its pig , sheep and chicken city out here . One local farm has an emu ! However hopefully Monte will notice and post . He knows a lot about farming stuff. And a lot of the fields being proposed for solar panels are problem ones with poor yields. They tend to grow grass well and are ideal for livestock, but often the number of animals per acre is too low to be profitable, So a mix of livestock and solar works well. I Suspect that that is bullshit tbh. It certainly doesn’t apply to my local area . If it was true then solar farms will be built on moorland etc. There is plenty of room around the Thames estuary and Dartmoor, Exmoor etc but they are planning the solar farms on good quality farmland around here. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 10:02:29 GMT
In real terms 0.3 % is a huge swath of land . I’m not against it as such but it can’t be written off as irrelevant . In reality its 0.3% of an enormous piece of land, that's why it is big. When people talk of overcrowded country they don't realise how much land we are talking about, they imagine towns spreading to join up into a vast patch of concrete. In reality overcrowding means roads full of cars, traffic calming systems, delays, long waits for hospital treatment, packed classrooms, water shortages etc. In other words infrastructure doesn't keep pace with population growth. Land wise we could double the number of houses and not really notice. Please make it clear whether this 0.3% is a fraction of land overall or farmland . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 10:00:26 GMT
Funny you should say that part two. According to the solar farm planners there will be sheep grazing around the solar panels . Not only that but there will be a shit load of ‘ bio diversity’ around too. Around our village there has been a lot of pockets of land planted with different types of plants suitable for bees and butterflies etc .I suspect they could be used to grow crops after the solar panels are erected . I don’t imagine that net zero will stop farms producing meat . There are huge parts of our fields here used to grow ,hay, straw and animal feeds ( as well as biofuel) , its pig , sheep and chicken city out here . One local farm has an emu ! However hopefully Monte will notice and post . He knows a lot about farming stuff. Here's where I have a problem Ok so there is a field And there are the solar panels set up in it How is the grass going to grow under these panels when they take all the light and leave nothing underneath them for the plants to absorb. Yes, I understand that there will be vegetation around the panels Yes I understand that sheep and maybe even Welsh black cattle might be able to graze on that. The Welsh black is a breed engineered through quite a period of animal husbandry to thrive on poor quality feed on sparse Welsh hills But surely the overall productivity MUST be reduced ... Yes that’s been acknowledged. The local area that is going to be used as a solar farm is used to grow sugar beet. I’m not sure about crop rotation but that’s the crop mentioned. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 7, 2024 23:11:43 GMT
Even blue collar workers have microwave ovens and other household equipment, and may rely on any number of unseen imported materials that are lurking about their dwellings. And those blue collar workers are going to pay 60-100% more on most of their Walmart purchases. I'm the reason the Democrats lost?Of course you are. Lets say you are a blue collar worker on the production line at Ford or GM who is in danger of losing their job (and health insurance) due to subsidised competition from Chinese automotive companies. Who are you likely to support? - the guy that says he will impose tariffs to prevent foreign companies undercutting US workers , or the guy that says think about the price of imported cathode ray tubes at the same time as he has overseen mass inflation which decimated your standard of living?. 👍^ |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 7, 2024 22:14:22 GMT
“The European Union has approved controversial plans for the Dutch government to forcibly buy out livestock farms as part of plans to cut nitrogen emissions” Im pretty sure I’ll see pigs , sheep and chickens for a while yet. I wish I shared your optimism. Us country bumpkins are all optimists. |
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