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Post by Pacifico on Dec 14, 2022 8:04:16 GMT
Inflation now down to 10.7% - Hopefully the start of a trend.
With inflation also starting to fall in Germany (down to 11.3%) and the US (down to 7.1%), we may see price pressures start to mitigate.
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Post by Handyman on Dec 14, 2022 8:55:55 GMT
Hopefully yes, but the high wages demands will not help, all that will do is make it longer to reduce inflation
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 9:06:07 GMT
Hopefully yes, but the high wages demands will not help, all that will do is make it longer to reduce inflation Likewise high pension increases.....or are there different rules where you are concerned? Pay rises are well below inflation so are clearly not driving it. Expecting people not to get rises in line with inflation is expecting the workforce to get poorer to help the economy. But what the hell is the economy for if not the good of the people? Or is it only pensioners who count? |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 14, 2022 9:11:22 GMT
Probably because everything is now about survival and nothing left for anything else, the commodity brokers have done a fine job of putting everyone under the cosh while the bankers back them up.Should we expect a statement of you have never had it so good?
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Post by Handyman on Dec 14, 2022 9:35:54 GMT
There is only so much that the taxpayers can afford, there is only so much that employers can afford, we are in debt thanks to Covid and Putin as are many other counties, the economy is badly damaged and strikes are making it even more difficult, jobs and business will go to the wall wrong time for large wage demands.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 14, 2022 13:08:08 GMT
Hopefully yes, but the high wages demands will not help, all that will do is make it longer to reduce inflation Likewise high pension increases.....or are there different rules where you are concerned? Pay rises are well below inflation so are clearly not driving it. Expecting people not to get rises in line with inflation is expecting the workforce to get poorer to help the economy. But what the hell is the economy for if not the good of the people? Or is it only pensioners who count?Well us poor old buggers shouldn't tak the brunt from the younger generation. Many of us worked our bollocks off and made sacrifices to provide for our retirement. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 14, 2022 13:23:46 GMT
Food inflation 14%
Electricity 35% despite being sud
Gas doubled
Wages 6.9%
Cant see inflation dropping further in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 15:03:20 GMT
Likewise high pension increases.....or are there different rules where you are concerned? Pay rises are well below inflation so are clearly not driving it. Expecting people not to get rises in line with inflation is expecting the workforce to get poorer to help the economy. But what the hell is the economy for if not the good of the people? Or is it only pensioners who count?Well us poor old buggers shouldn't tak the brunt from the younger generation. Many of us worked our bollocks off and made sacrifices to provide for our retirement. And many of you pulled the ladder up behind you on the way up. Youngsters don't have access to the plentiful secure well paid jobs and secure and affordable housing that you had, no matter how much they work their bollocks off. And not all pensioners worked their bollocks off. Some of them were part of the army of unemployed in the 80s and 90s. I know of several of these latter And why do so many of you selfish old gits bemoan pay rises in line with inflation for productive workers who are financing your state pensions, yet expect it as of right for comparatively non-productive pensioners like yourselves? Double standards laced with a massive vein of self-centredness. And oh so typical of the me, me, me generation. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 14, 2022 15:11:44 GMT
I predicted that old people will be demonised by lefties in the near future . Looks like I was right .
Pensioners will be the next demographic to replace ‘ social security scroungers’.
Politics of envy lite.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 14, 2022 15:41:22 GMT
Well us poor old buggers shouldn't tak the brunt from the younger generation. Many of us worked our bollocks off and made sacrifices to provide for our retirement. And many of you pulled the ladder up behind you on the way up. Youngsters don't have access to the plentiful secure well paid jobs and secure and affordable housing that you had, no matter how much they work their bollocks off. And not all pensioners worked their bollocks off. Some of them were part of the army of unemployed in the 80s and 90s. I know of several of these latter Double standards laced with a massive And why do so many of you selfish old gits bemoan pay rises in line with inflation for productive workers who are financing your state pensions, yet expect it as of right for comparatively non-productive pensioners like yourselves? vein of self-centredness. And oh so typical of the me, me, me generation.You are responding to things I never either said or implied; were you frothing at the mouth as you tapped away, saying to yourself, I'll show this old lag? Did it ever occur to you that some crotchety old buggers ran businesses that employed young people? Do you think old people are to blame for what you describe as current lack of well-paid secure jobs or affordable housing? What makes you assume I'm unproductive just because I'm old? What makes you think I'm selfish? Go do somerthing about how things are, stop voting for dishonest idiots who inhabit whichever party you vote for, do something better with your life. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 17:35:03 GMT
And many of you pulled the ladder up behind you on the way up. Youngsters don't have access to the plentiful secure well paid jobs and secure and affordable housing that you had, no matter how much they work their bollocks off. And not all pensioners worked their bollocks off. Some of them were part of the army of unemployed in the 80s and 90s. I know of several of these latter Double standards laced with a massive And why do so many of you selfish old gits bemoan pay rises in line with inflation for productive workers who are financing your state pensions, yet expect it as of right for comparatively non-productive pensioners like yourselves? vein of self-centredness. And oh so typical of the me, me, me generation.You are responding to things I never either said or implied; were you frothing at the mouth as you tapped away, saying to yourself, I'll show this old lag? Did it ever occur to you that some crotchety old buggers ran businesses that employed young people? Do you think old people are to blame for what you describe as current lack of well-paid secure jobs or affordable housing? What makes you assume I'm unproductive just because I'm old? What makes you think I'm selfish? Go do somerthing about how things are, stop voting for dishonest idiots who inhabit whichever party you vote for, do something better with your life. You still have not addressed my basic point about why it is bad for workers' pay to keep up with inflation, yet outrageous to suggest that pensions should not. Especially since on average pensioners are slightly better off already than working people with typically far lower housing costs with no dependents to care for. So it sticks in the throat when people of a certain age pontificate about how the workers need to accept getting poorer for the good of the economy when they are not prepared to countenance the same for themselves. That's where the self-centred double standards come in. I'll support your triple lock if you'll support workers getting pay rises in line with inflation. Perhaps the triple lock should be abandoned with pensions increased only in line with average wage increases. Then let's see if you still think workers should not get pay rises in line with inflation. The state pension is after all being paid for by the taxes of working people so why should pensions increase by more than the wages of those who are paying for them. In reality of course I do still support the triple lock at least for the pensioners minimum income guarantee, but you lot make that harder for me with your self centred double standards, attacking workers for expecting pay to keep pace with inflation whilst demanding nothing less for yourselves, paid for by those workers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 17:43:41 GMT
There is only so much that the taxpayers can afford, there is only so much that employers can afford, we are in debt thanks to Covid and Putin as are many other counties, the economy is badly damaged and strikes are making it even more difficult, jobs and business will go to the wall wrong time for large wage demands. Yet you still expect your triple lock don't you? You expect taxpayers who are themselves getting poorer to pay for that, don't you? Why should you be insisting that working people get far less than inflation whilst you still get pension increases in line with inflation? I don't begrudge you your state pension increase by the way. What I utterly detest is your double standards in not wanting working people to get what you expect for yourself. A clear cut case of selfishness, hypocrisy and double standards which is quite contemptible. If you think workers should receive below inflation increases, are you prepared to argue for the same for pensioners such as yourself? Or is it different rules for you? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 17:46:35 GMT
I predicted that old people will be demonised by lefties in the near future . Looks like I was right . Pensioners will be the next demographic to replace ‘ social security scroungers’. Politics of envy lite. Absolute bollocks. It has always been the right rather than the left propagating the notion of welfare scroungers. Politics of envy is a lazy and tired old canard which is itself utter bollocks. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 14, 2022 17:48:58 GMT
I predicted that old people will be demonised by lefties in the near future . Looks like I was right . Pensioners will be the next demographic to replace ‘ social security scroungers’. Politics of envy lite. Absolute bollocks. It has always been the right rather than the left propagating the notion of welfare scroungers. Politics of envy is a lazy and tired old canard which is itself utter bollocks. Had you read the post you might realise that I never claimed the left demonised welfare claimants. Politics of envy is the backbone of leftie political philosophy. Edit.Having re read my post , it does seem to suggest “ social security scroungers ‘ were demonised by lefties …apologies . |
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 14, 2022 18:04:35 GMT
Well us poor old buggers shouldn't tak the brunt from the younger generation. Many of us worked our bollocks off and made sacrifices to provide for our retirement. And many of you pulled the ladder up behind you on the way up. Youngsters don't have access to the plentiful secure well paid jobs and secure and affordable housing that you had, no matter how much they work their bollocks off. And not all pensioners worked their bollocks off. Some of them were part of the army of unemployed in the 80s and 90s. I know of several of these latter And why do so many of you selfish old gits bemoan pay rises in line with inflation for productive workers who are financing your state pensions, yet expect it as of right for comparatively non-productive pensioners like yourselves? Double standards laced with a massive vein of self-centredness. And oh so typical of the me, me, me generation. Unionised public sector workers are productive? That's a new one |
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