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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 22:28:37 GMT
Yes, the pensioners did. We need(ed) to import working age people to help pay for the pensioners, as we have too many old people on the take, and not enough young people to work for them. Yes, but as has been pointed out (many times) that is just a ponzi scheme - simply because it makes the situation worse. The imported labour get old, so you need more imported labour, and on, and on, and on.. No one said otherwise. About 5 times now I have said its the reason they have to increase the population every year. So how would you stop it? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 22:34:21 GMT
Yes, but as has been pointed out (many times) that is just a ponzi scheme - simply because it makes the situation worse. The imported labour get old, so you need more imported labour, and on, and on, and on.. Yes, you're right. We need to find a way of getting rid of some of our old people. Don't rely on the youngsters to come up with a solution. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2022 22:39:45 GMT
Yes, but as has been pointed out (many times) that is just a ponzi scheme - simply because it makes the situation worse. The imported labour get old, so you need more imported labour, and on, and on, and on.. Yes, you're right. We need to find a way of getting rid of some of our old people. is that the intelligent response we have been waiting for?.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2022 22:42:45 GMT
Yes, but as has been pointed out (many times) that is just a ponzi scheme - simply because it makes the situation worse. The imported labour get old, so you need more imported labour, and on, and on, and on.. No one said otherwise. About 5 times now I have said its the reason they have to increase the population every year. So how would you stop it? Same way as every government in Europe - as life expectancy increases you raise the retirement age. This idea that the only way to solve the issue of life expectancy increasing is ever increasing levels of immigration is a nonsense - any sensible person can see that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 22:45:12 GMT
What the fuck do you mean by old people on the take? How dare you say that, you absolute peice of left wing shit. There are pensioners in this county who have worked all their lives, they have paid tax and national insurance all their lives and are now frightened to put the heating on. At the same time, the government are spending £7 million a day on foreign illegals who have contributed not one thin fuckin penny to this country and have absolutely no right to be in this country. You need to wake the fuck up. LOL. Triggered. 🎣 That's the best you can come up with, that's your defence? You're a fuckin disgrace. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 22:46:51 GMT
That's the best you can come up with, that's your defence? You're a fuckin disgrace. I think he's on Tizer tonight. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 16, 2022 13:00:22 GMT
If we import permanent cheap Labour from abroad then we are only kicking the pensioner can down the road. Those migrants will be drawing a pension eventually. The answer lies with qualifying for a pension at a later date and felicitating a kind of halfway house pension/ part time working for older people who can’t work full time before pension age , far more vocational training and more use of modern technology . We probably will have to use migrant Labour but it should be very much controlled to fit the needs of the country . Its not cheap labour, its just labour, but yes I agree its the reason we have to import more every year. We have been raising the pension age, but at this time its not helping much because many of those wishing to retire are not reliant on the state pension so they stop working (paying tax) at 60 anyway. (Though I do like your ideas) And again I agree with the idea of migrant labour bought in for limited time periods with no rights to stay. On your idea about using technology. Yes but you would need to find a way to tax the production from this automation and technology. One of the other issues we currently have is that technology is putting more and more profit into the hands of ever fewer people. It’s cheap Labour. It pins the wage at the lowest bar. Your last point is something I have never considered. Trying to tax home production could lead to even more manufacturing being exported to Asia. All roads lead to protectionism there . |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 16, 2022 19:58:09 GMT
Its not cheap labour, its just labour, but yes I agree its the reason we have to import more every year. We have been raising the pension age, but at this time its not helping much because many of those wishing to retire are not reliant on the state pension so they stop working (paying tax) at 60 anyway. (Though I do like your ideas) And again I agree with the idea of migrant labour bought in for limited time periods with no rights to stay. On your idea about using technology. Yes but you would need to find a way to tax the production from this automation and technology. One of the other issues we currently have is that technology is putting more and more profit into the hands of ever fewer people. The minimum earnings for a visa into the UK is far above the minimum wage, so IMO not cheap labour. Protectionism is the path chosen by both the US and the EU. I can't see an alternative that doesn't involve us lowering our living standards to those of India or China. automated manufacturing within the Uk would be better than importing from The BRIC's but without Tariffs we could not compete while maintaining the living standards for all our citizens. Do you think we need to accept an even larger wealth gap in the UK? Possibly a cut in the health services the poorest receive? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 17, 2022 10:46:59 GMT
The minimum earnings for a visa into the UK is far above the minimum wage, so IMO not cheap labour. Protectionism is the path chosen by both the US and the EU. I can't see an alternative that doesn't involve us lowering our living standards to those of India or China. automated manufacturing within the Uk would be better than importing from The BRIC's but without Tariffs we could not compete while maintaining the living standards for all our citizens. Do you think we need to accept an even larger wealth gap in the UK? Possibly a cut in the health services the poorest receive? We seem to need farm workers and other low wage earners . So I’m am referring to importing minimum wage Labour not doctors or engineers. If we need craftsmen and specialists then we should train our own. Ill repeat this again…”We probably will have to use migrant Labour but it should be very much controlled to fit the needs of the country .” Tariffs bring their own problems . I don’t think that I have suggested we need an even larger wealth gap in the UK or a cut in health services. This seems to something you made up. Do you think that we need to accept more animal cruelty or anti social behaviour ?..see I can do that ..🙄 |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 11:00:33 GMT
We seem to need farm workers and other low wage earners . So I’m am referring to importing minimum wage Labour not doctors or engineers. If we need craftsmen and specialists then we should train our own. Ill repeat this again…”We probably will have to use migrant Labour but it should be very much controlled to fit the needs of the country .” Yes I agree, there are definite shortages in those jobs. However (codicil) these jobs would need to be exempt from benefits and the minimum wage if they are to allow UK farmers to be competitive with imports. How do you feel about lowering the school leaving age back to 16 to free up more cheaper labour into the market? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 17, 2022 11:14:30 GMT
We seem to need farm workers and other low wage earners . So I’m am referring to importing minimum wage Labour not doctors or engineers. If we need craftsmen and specialists then we should train our own. Ill repeat this again…”We probably will have to use migrant Labour but it should be very much controlled to fit the needs of the country .” Yes I agree, there are definite shortages in those jobs. However (codicil) these jobs would need to be exempt from benefits and the minimum wage if they are to allow UK farmers to be competitive with imports. How do you feel about lowering the school leaving age back to 16 to free up more cheaper labour into the market? Those jobs need to be pinned to the minimum wage at least . Otherwise farmer workers wages would stagnate . Unless the migrants are assimilated into a permanent workforce then there should either be restricted benefits or no benefits with the temporary workforce being exempt from national insurance payments. Leaving school at 16 is fine by me especially if there was a nationwide apprenticeships scheme ( modelled on the 1960s and 70s) . Tariffs may be the answer but if they are then why aren’t we using tariffs now? We seem to want to make tariff free trade deals not apply extra tariffs . |
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