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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 16:12:36 GMT
Look I'm not against Unions, I actually believe workers should be fairly represented, but what I am against is when UNIONS are playing politics, which they did under the Tories, it was a plain as a Bulgarian pinup that they were just playing politics and whatever the Tories offered would never be enough, and it becomes dangerous when UNIONS become a political party. thats what labour do with the unions. When the tories or snp take over , they stir up trouble with the unions to play politics. You only need to look for example at the Glasgow city council equal pay dispute , which labour spent years and countless billions fighting against , and as soon as they were kicked out of power , stirred the unions up to fight the snp and get the snp to fix the very problems labour had caused in the first place , costing Glasgow taxpayers millions in the process , all to play politics. Exactly, the UNIONS are their own political lefty party. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 17, 2024 16:18:12 GMT
A strike against injustice or just being taken for granted happens when there is no proper negotiations taking place, or when previous agreements are broken etc. Without unions millions of workers would be wide open to being financially abused by employers. Look I'm not against Unions, I actually believe workers should be fairly represented, but what I am against is when UNIONS are playing politics, which they did under the Tories, it was a plain as a Bulgarian pinup that they were just playing politics and whatever the Tories offered would never be enough, and it becomes dangerous when UNIONS become a political party. Hang on, wages in the NHS were kept deliberately low, it was part of the Tory anti NHS tactic that went along with the Tories cutting in half the annual increase in NHS funding and using huge amounts of money set aside for hospital repairs to help the already reduced NHS funding. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 17, 2024 16:22:12 GMT
Look I'm not against Unions, I actually believe workers should be fairly represented, but what I am against is when UNIONS are playing politics, which they did under the Tories, it was a plain as a Bulgarian pinup that they were just playing politics and whatever the Tories offered would never be enough, and it becomes dangerous when UNIONS become a political party. thats what labour do with the unions. When the tories or snp take over , they stir up trouble with the unions to play politics. You only need to look for example at the Glasgow city council equal pay dispute , which labour spent years and countless millions fighting against , and as soon as they were kicked out of power , stirred the unions up to fight the snp and get the snp to fix the very problems labour had caused in the first place , costing Glasgow taxpayers millions in the process , all to play politics. Labour did not cause the inequality in pay. Your post is a good example of your biased nonsense. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2024 16:26:16 GMT
thats what labour do with the unions. When the tories or snp take over , they stir up trouble with the unions to play politics. You only need to look for example at the Glasgow city council equal pay dispute , which labour spent years and countless millions fighting against , and as soon as they were kicked out of power , stirred the unions up to fight the snp and get the snp to fix the very problems labour had caused in the first place , costing Glasgow taxpayers millions in the process , all to play politics. Labour did not cause the inequality in pay. Your post is a good example of your biased nonsense.
SCOTLAND’S largest local authority spent more than £2.5 million fighting equal pay claims by female council workers over the last 10 years.
Figures released following a Freedom of Information request show that between 2007 and 2017 – when the Labour Party controlled Glasgow City Council – £1.8m was spent on legal fees and a further £700,000 on “internal staff costs” to contest claims by women who were victims of wage discrimination.
The SNP claimed the figures “demonstrate just how far Labour was prepared to go to fight equal pay” and a campaign group which represents the majority of claimants said the outlay was an “incredible waste of public money”.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 16:27:38 GMT
That's still a "No". My wife works for the NHS and has never been on strike. And there are several teaching unions which is why teachers don't all go on strike. And if you do go on strike you don't get paid. Which is why many don't even if they probably should. So no, the unions don't run, don't represent and don't call the shots. Although if they're bankrolling this corrupt government that could well change. On this one we are going to be agreeing to disagree, the lefty Civil Service/Public Sector Unions played a BIG part why Labour won this General Election... No they didn't. 🤣 Labour had less votes this time than they did under their disastrous election with Corbyn. They only won by default because the Tories pissed off their core voter base - a sizeable chunk of whom deserted to Reform. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 16:29:04 GMT
On this one we are going to be agreeing to disagree, the lefty Civil Service/Public Sector Unions played a BIG part why Labour won this General Election... Labour had less votes this time than they did under their disastrous election with Corbyn. They only won by default because the Tories pissed off their core voter base - a sizeable chunk of whom deserted to Reform. Panto season
OH YES THEY DID
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 16:33:39 GMT
So you're saying that the unions played a BIG part in Labours record low voter numbers?
Now that argument might have some legs.
Albeit it's completely at odds with your initial position.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 16:40:36 GMT
So you're saying that the unions played a BIG part in Labours record low voter numbers? Now that argument might have some legs. Albeit it's completely at odds with your initial position. I'm saying that the 'lefty' UNIONS tried to play politics by discrediting the Tories, the NASTY party, they made out the NHS Junior Doctors, the teachers, were all victims of the NASTY party, brainwashing the dumbos into voting Labour, now we know Labour are in power the UNIONS want even more, and they have the next 5 years to blackmail the Labour party into submission. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
So you're saying that the unions played a BIG part in Labours record low voter numbers? Now that argument might have some legs. Albeit it's completely at odds with your initial position. I'm saying that the 'lefty' UNIONS tried to play politics by discrediting the Tories, the NASTY party, they made out the NHS Junior Doctors, the teachers, were all victims of the NASTY party, brainwashing the dumbos into voting Labour, now we know Labour are in power the UNIONS want even more, and they have the next 5 years to blackmail the Labour party into submission. Maybe they did, except "The dumbos" didn't vote Labour. They deserted Labour. In their droves.
Again, Labour got less votes than in any recent election.
People deserted the Tories too, but they didn't go to Labour.
So again no. The evidence does not support your premise.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 17:49:05 GMT
I'm saying that the 'lefty' UNIONS tried to play politics by discrediting the Tories, the NASTY party, they made out the NHS Junior Doctors, the teachers, were all victims of the NASTY party, brainwashing the dumbos into voting Labour, now we know Labour are in power the UNIONS want even more, and they have the next 5 years to blackmail the Labour party into submission. Maybe they did, except "The dumbos" didn't vote Labour. They deserted Labour. In their droves.
Again, Labour got less votes than in any recent election.
People deserted the Tories too, but they didn't go to Labour.
So again no. The evidence does not support your premise.
I have to point out the obvious, Labour won.
However we try to dissect it, they won.
The very mere fact they won even though ' Labour, were deserted in their droves' by whatever reasoning the fact they won means the 'The dumbos' voted for them.
The people may have deserted the Tories, and did not go to Labour, but Labour won, so work that one out.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 18:00:42 GMT
So let's recap, you said: It's common knowledge that civil servants/public sector workers are lefty supporters... Which, as I've shown, was wrong. Ok I'll rephrase it.... Public Sector/Civil Servants are run by lefty Unions, and if you don't strike or follow your 'brothers' you are a blackleg, so technically Civil Servants/Public sector workers are hostages to the LEFTY Unions. Also wrong. I wasn't aware that Civil Servants and Public sector workers weren't represented by unions, mainly leftist. [/div] teachers doctors NHS workers
Civil Service The National Union of Civil and Public Servants (NUCPS) was a trade union in the United Kingdom.
They are still represented by Unions
[/quote] And, as I've shown, also wrong. If you work for the NHS Junior Doctors, or Teachers Union and they strike you don't have a option of objecting or just turning in, otherwise you are a 'blackleg' so I assume the Unions 'RUN' them. Just watch if there is a teachers strike or Junior doctors strike, none of them will turn in even if they don't agree with the strike, meaning the lefties UNIONS call the shots. Still wrong. On this one we are going to be agreeing to disagree, the lefty Civil Service/Public Sector Unions played a BIG part why Labour won this General Election, if the UNIONS say Junior Doctors are striking then they are striking, no iffs no buts. The UNIONS bankroll the lefty Labour, so why would labour bite the hand that feeds them, that is why Labour will bow to their every whim because they bankroll them, it's a FACT... I have to point out the obvious, Labour won. [/div] However we try to dissect it, they won. The very mere fact they won even though ' Labour, were deserted in their droves' by whatever reasoning the fact they won means the 'The dumbos' voted for them. The people may have deserted the Tories, and did not go to Labour, but Labour won, so work that one out.
[/quote] However you twist it, the unions still don't run the Civil Service or even represent the Civil Service, just some members of it. And they didn't cause Labour to win the GE. Labour only won by default because the Tories pissed off their core voter base, a large number of whom went to Reform. You can go round in circles forever, but those are the facts. You're wrong. And I'm done here.
(And fuck knows what's wrong with the quote function on this piece of shit!)
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 18:06:56 GMT
So let's recap, you said: It's common knowledge that civil servants/public sector workers are lefty supporters... Which, as I've shown, was wrong. Ok I'll rephrase it.... Public Sector/Civil Servants are run by lefty Unions, and if you don't strike or follow your 'brothers' you are a blackleg, so technically Civil Servants/Public sector workers are hostages to the LEFTY Unions. Also wrong. I wasn't aware that Civil Servants and Public sector workers weren't represented by unions, mainly leftist. [/div] teachers doctors NHS workers
Civil Service The National Union of Civil and Public Servants (NUCPS) was a trade union in the United Kingdom.
They are still represented by Unions
[/quote] And, as I've shown, also wrong. If you work for the NHS Junior Doctors, or Teachers Union and they strike you don't have a option of objecting or just turning in, otherwise you are a 'blackleg' so I assume the Unions 'RUN' them. Just watch if there is a teachers strike or Junior doctors strike, none of them will turn in even if they don't agree with the strike, meaning the lefties UNIONS call the shots. Still wrong. On this one we are going to be agreeing to disagree, the lefty Civil Service/Public Sector Unions played a BIG part why Labour won this General Election, if the UNIONS say Junior Doctors are striking then they are striking, no iffs no buts. The UNIONS bankroll the lefty Labour, so why would labour bite the hand that feeds them, that is why Labour will bow to their every whim because they bankroll them, it's a FACT... I have to point out the obvious, Labour won. [/div] However we try to dissect it, they won. The very mere fact they won even though ' Labour, were deserted in their droves' by whatever reasoning the fact they won means the 'The dumbos' voted for them. The people may have deserted the Tories, and did not go to Labour, but Labour won, so work that one out.
[/quote] However you twist it, the unions still don't run the Civil Service or even represent the Civil Service, just some members of it. And they didn't cause Labour to win the GE. Labour only won by default because the Tories pissed off their core voter base, a large number of whom went to Reform. You can go round in circles forever, but those are the facts. You're wrong. And I'm done here.
(And fuck knows what's wrong with the quote function on this piece of shit!)
Ok without the need of boring posters to death, Labour won the General Election, the whys and the wherefores are now immaterial.
With any Luck the next time round the lefty Labour Unions will be their downfall, and either Reform or the Tories will be in power.
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Post by see2 on Oct 17, 2024 18:12:24 GMT
Factual information without the information needed in order to get the full picture means you are using assumptions and biased opinion in order to paint a misleading picture that suits your personal bias. so when confronted by labour hypocrisy over police numbers in england , comparative to their historical record on policing in scotland , you attempt to wriggle about by offering up innuendo on labours reasons? The money was there swirling about labours coffers as we have seen earlier. A un report in 2005 for example had Glasgow ranked as the murder capital of Europe under labour , and scotland the most violent country in the developed world .So the need was there? So can you give me labours excuse as to why they failed to properly invest in Scottish policing , and it took the incoming snp administration to boost police Scotlands numbers? Over to you? I have not commented on police numbers in England, that is entirely your way of escaping questions that you can't answer. They have nothing to do with the information I requested, and which you have failed to answer. It called deviation. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2024 19:18:26 GMT
so when confronted by labour hypocrisy over police numbers in england , comparative to their historical record on policing in scotland , you attempt to wriggle about by offering up innuendo on labours reasons? The money was there swirling about labours coffers as we have seen earlier. A un report in 2005 for example had Glasgow ranked as the murder capital of Europe under labour , and scotland the most violent country in the developed world .So the need was there? So can you give me labours excuse as to why they failed to properly invest in Scottish policing , and it took the incoming snp administration to boost police Scotlands numbers? Over to you? I have not commented on police numbers in England, that is entirely your way of escaping questions that you can't answer. They have nothing to do with the information I requested, and which you have failed to answer. It called deviation. you began , in the first page of the thread on post 6 , the comments about hypocrisy regarding squeezed middles post and witch finder reply , and I simply responded by showing how you labour supporters have a cheek talking about hypocrisy with your record in scotland. Post after post , you have wriggled , denied even that labour were in power pre 2007 in scotland , and filled the thread with all the usual bullshit and innuendo and diversionary bollocks you are known on this forum for. The whole thread is about police numbers in england , with scotland my retort to your comments about squeezed middles alleged hypocrisy so what are you talking about now? Are you denying you have made numerous posts on the thread and topic about police numbers in england? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2024 19:19:33 GMT
Labour did not cause the inequality in pay. Your post is a good example of your biased nonsense.
SCOTLAND’S largest local authority spent more than £2.5 million fighting equal pay claims by female council workers over the last 10 years.
Figures released following a Freedom of Information request show that between 2007 and 2017 – when the Labour Party controlled Glasgow City Council – £1.8m was spent on legal fees and a further £700,000 on “internal staff costs” to contest claims by women who were victims of wage discrimination.
The SNP claimed the figures “demonstrate just how far Labour was prepared to go to fight equal pay” and a campaign group which represents the majority of claimants said the outlay was an “incredible waste of public money”.
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