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Post by Handyman on Oct 14, 2024 18:32:15 GMT
Some of them are highly experienced Officers... Much less so nowadays - many of the brass have never done any real police work. ...Murder Squad Senior Officers as an example, there loss would detrimental IMHO Most of those are those are DCs and DSs, and while I agree that their loss would be detrimental, they could hardly be described as senior officers.
One of the Met's biggest issues currently is too many irrelevant high ranking officers and a cull is long overdue.
Having worked on Murder investigations I agree with you the lower experienced ranks DI's DS's and DC's did the hard graft in days gone by and still do, it was only later when the Met parachuted Uniformed Senior Officers that had little or no experience of complex Instigations went some investigations went tits up , the Lawrence case is a perfect example of that, straight out of Bram's Hill accelerated promotion for the politically correct |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 14, 2024 18:59:54 GMT
Yes, and that's exactly the type of senior management I'm thinking about.
And they are the reason that the Met are in Special Measures.
The remedial class are running the Met.
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Post by see2 on Oct 15, 2024 21:58:05 GMT
You really are silly, Labour were not completely in charge and I have certainly never been in charge of anything in Scotland. you mean to tell me after a quarter of a century of devolution , you dont realise your own party labour set up the devolved parliament under a proportional system where coalition governments are the norm? Jesus! Labour has rigged the election system to its planned Scottish Parliament so the SNP can’t take control of it, a party chief admitted yesterday.
Labour held 50 of the 67 government seats , they held the office of first minister , and all the key offices of governance , and the liberals were the tiny junior coalition partner. Stop trying to run away from the mess you left regarding police officers and man up . ______________________________________________________________ My main point was the different levels of the police force in Scotland, nothing fits without that information. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 15, 2024 22:09:36 GMT
Senior Police Officers may also retire early as they fear losing a big chunk of their Pensions No loss there. LOL, tend to agree. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 16, 2024 6:31:48 GMT
you mean to tell me after a quarter of a century of devolution , you dont realise your own party labour set up the devolved parliament under a proportional system where coalition governments are the norm? Jesus! Labour has rigged the election system to its planned Scottish Parliament so the SNP can’t take control of it, a party chief admitted yesterday.
Labour held 50 of the 67 government seats , they held the office of first minister , and all the key offices of governance , and the liberals were the tiny junior coalition partner. Stop trying to run away from the mess you left regarding police officers and man up . ______________________________________________________________ My main point was the different levels of the police force in Scotland, nothing fits without that information. as usual , you are waffling off point incoherently. Your "latest" main point is an irrelevance. The original point is that labour are blaming the tories in england in 2024 for what labour did in scotland prior to 2007. If you want to make a different point about per capita levels of policing in scotland versus england , do so. It doesn't in any way detract from my point about your pathetic parties hypocrisy on the state policing was left in england. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 16, 2024 8:19:53 GMT
Some of them are highly experienced Officers... Much less so nowadays - many of the brass have never done any real police work. ...Murder Squad Senior Officers as an example, there loss would detrimental IMHO Most of those are those are DCs and DSs, and while I agree that their loss would be detrimental, they could hardly be described as senior officers.
One of the Met's biggest issues currently is too many irrelevant high ranking officers and a cull is long overdue.
When I refer to Senior Police Officers I mean Chief Superintendents and above, DC's DS's DI's do the real Donkey always have in all the different Departments , the other problem is Officers of all ranks of the CID and other Specialist Departments no longer stay in place for ever they get rotated every few years, or apply to other Departments. I don't have a problem with fast tracked Senior Officers being parachuted in for a few years then moved on in my days they were referred to as Butterflies copule of years here then somewhere else, but at the end of the day they too will want to protect their Pensions like those way down the pay scale |
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Post by see2 on Oct 16, 2024 9:40:30 GMT
as usual , you are waffling off point incoherently. Your "latest" main point is an irrelevance. The original point is that labour are blaming the tories in england in 2024 for what labour did in scotland prior to 2007. If you want to make a different point about per capita levels of policing in scotland versus england , do so. It doesn't in any way detract from my point about your pathetic parties hypocrisy on the state policing was left in england. The points I made are absolutely relevant in sorting out your self-interested desire to criticise Labour. Clarify the situation by answering the questions I posted, because if you don't then you are spouting biased nonsense from your rear end. My questions had NOTHING to do with policing in Scotland 'V' England. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 16, 2024 10:38:21 GMT
When I refer to Senior Police Officers I mean Chief Superintendents and above... Me too, although I'd say superintendents and above ie the ACPO ranks. Sadly, the Met is top heavy with these people many of whom are entirely self-serving and have no real policing experience. They are simply Civil Servants in uniform, more interested in attaining the next rank than in doing any actual police work. And when you hear them speak it's about "Diversity", "Inclusion", "Accountability" and "Transparency". Talk of nicking villains is noticeable by its absence. And that's where we've gone wrong: The police are not social engineers, they are there to kick doors in and feel collars. And the brass have totally lost sight of that. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 16, 2024 13:49:47 GMT
I agree 100%
Even 20 years ago apply to join a Specialist Group one wrong word on the Interview and you would be rejected instantly, I knew some Officers who took one look at the Officers waiting their turn to be interviewed, if there were several non white applicants and especially if female, they knew there chances of being selected were not good
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 16, 2024 14:29:08 GMT
Yep. And we all know it.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 16, 2024 14:41:06 GMT
I have a relative recently retired they asked him to go back but because of how it is now would not entertain the idea.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 16, 2024 14:46:27 GMT
Here is the official Police Federation statement from the end of July ...
"The Police Federation of England & Wales welcomes today’s announcement that the new government has accepted the pay review body recommendation in full, and that police officer pay for 2024/25 will increase by 4.75% per cent across all ranks. This increase, coming on top of last year’s rise, goes some way to closing the gap between the 17 per cent real-term pay cut officers have suffered since 2010 as a result of successive below-inflation rises"
To halt any exodous from any of our essential public services, you first of all must value the staff, give them fair rewards for what they do, and NOT reduce their rights, terms and conditions.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 16, 2024 14:59:05 GMT
And for once we agree. As I already said above.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 16, 2024 15:19:22 GMT
Here is the official Police Federation statement from the end of July ... "The Police Federation of England & Wales welcomes today’s announcement that the new government has accepted the pay review body recommendation in full, and that police officer pay for 2024/25 will increase by 4.75% per cent across all ranks. This increase, coming on top of last year’s rise, goes some way to closing the gap between the 17 per cent real-term pay cut officers have suffered since 2010 as a result of successive below-inflation rises" To halt any exodous from any of our essential public services, you first of all must value the staff, give them fair rewards for what they do, and NOT reduce their rights, terms and conditions. The pay rises will be welcomed by those already serving in the Police especially those who are nearing the end of their service, but will it be enough to attract new Recruits in sufficient numbers, at the moment moral is very low |
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2024 6:37:44 GMT
as usual , you are waffling off point incoherently. Your "latest" main point is an irrelevance. The original point is that labour are blaming the tories in england in 2024 for what labour did in scotland prior to 2007. If you want to make a different point about per capita levels of policing in scotland versus england , do so. It doesn't in any way detract from my point about your pathetic parties hypocrisy on the state policing was left in england. The points I made are absolutely relevant in sorting out your self-interested desire to criticise Labour. Clarify the situation by answering the questions I posted, because if you don't then you are spouting biased nonsense from your rear end. My questions had NOTHING to do with policing in Scotland 'V' England. its not about scotland versus england. Its about labours record in governance , and squealing hypocritically about others parties behaviour when they have done the same if not worse. |
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