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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 14, 2024 11:03:14 GMT
Doctors are threatening to do the same if Reeves interferes with the 25% tax free pension lump sum. This government are in BIG trouble the only people who are winners of a Labour government are the UNIONS, which is becoming ever more evident, this government are probably going to be the first government in the History of UK to demand a vote of no confidence, Labour would be very naive if it thought this could not happen. Senior Police Officers may also retire early as they fear losing a big chunk of their Pensions No loss there. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 14, 2024 12:17:47 GMT
Yes, its strange that it has only become a Big Issue now we have a labour government. As you say, hypocrisy. devolved policing in scotland was a big problem in terms of numbers under labour.....  once scotland kicked labour out , in 2007 , the numbers rose dramatically. Then only hypocrisy I can see is coming from you Labour Party muppets. Yours is the opinion of a Muppet LOL. There wasn't a Labour government in Scotland in 2007 to be kicked out, It was a coalition coalition government. Scottish Police Numbers falling. www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19890538.scottish-police-numbers-fall-lowest-since-2009/#:~:text=The%20number%20is%20the%20lowest%20since%20the,it%20inherited%2C%20but%20later%20dropped%20the%20policy. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 14, 2024 12:44:12 GMT
The police are on the sharp end of an ever increasing lack of respect for authority.
A couple of decades ago the job was well paid and had some seriously good perks, now the money is shit and all the perks have vanished.
Add to that the fact that everything they do is filmed by some twat with a camera phone who sticks a 10 second out of context video on TikTok.
Personally, I'd start them off at £40k, double their numbers and introduce a zero tolerance attitude to crime... and have them hand out on the spot fines to create a revenue stream. ie low level stuff is handled by on the spot fines, not the courts. I would also ditch points on driving licences, and instead have traffic cops everywhere fining the shit out of everybody.
...and don't get me started on dog shit ...it feels like I am the only person that picks up after mine!
This entitled mindset of "I'll do what I want" needs slapping out of people!
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Post by Handyman on Oct 14, 2024 12:54:34 GMT
Senior Police Officers may also retire early as they fear losing a big chunk of their Pensions No loss there. Some of them are highly experienced Officers, Murder Squad Senior Officers as an example, there loss would detrimental IMHO |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 14, 2024 13:06:15 GMT
To me, there is complete and total confusion here
IF it is correct that police officers are leaving the force in large numbers, it has not got anything to do with the new government. The present government have not instigated any policy towards the police in England, they have not cut the numbers of officers, cut budgets or suggested that they may do so.
If anything, the new government has shown its intent to give public sector employees fair pay rises, as they have done with teachers and other public service employees, which would to some degree compensate for the recent years of a fall in pay in Real Terms due to pay freezes and below inflation rises.
The Conservative government of Teressa May and David Cameron cut police numbers by 20,000 officers, and on realising this had been a mistake, Boris Johnson then set about recruiting 20,000 officers, hard to believe but true.
The police over the last 14 years have endured huge cuts to budgets, a fall in real terms pay and the closure of many police stations. The presure on our police forces has driven many out of the force, precisely the same thing which has happened to our NHS.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 14, 2024 13:31:16 GMT
The police are on the sharp end of an ever increasing lack of respect for authority. A couple of decades ago the job was well paid and had some seriously good perks, now the money is shit and all the perks have vanished. Add to that the fact that everything they do is filmed by some twat with a camera phone who sticks a 10 second out of context video on TikTok. Personally, I'd start them off at £40k, double their numbers and introduce a zero tolerance attitude to crime... and have them hand out on the spot fines to create a revenue stream. ie low level stuff is handled by on the spot fines, not the courts. I would also ditch points on driving licences, and instead have traffic cops everywhere fining the shit out of everybody. ...and don't get me started on dog shit ...it feels like I am the only person that picks up after mine! This entitled mindset of "I'll do what I want" needs slapping out of people! I disagree on the pay it was never good, when I joined in 1971 the pay after deductions NI Income Tax and Pension was about £15 a week that was increased by overtime on a gruelling unhealthy shift pattern, we volunteered to work overtime at Football Matches and Demonstrations on days off to earn extra which meant we were taxed more In 1981 when I married my pay was roughly £80 a month luckily we were provided with Police owned accommodation we just paid the energy bills if no overtime it was a struggle, the wife's brothers working on the buildings were earning that a week, Maggie Thatcher gave the Police a good pay rise take home pay shot up to about £140 a month Today many Officers are having to resort to Food Banks they cannot afford rent or mortgages, when I retired I earned more working for a London Council a far easier safer occupation than I was paid in the Police |
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Post by see2 on Oct 14, 2024 13:53:24 GMT
To me, there is complete and total confusion here IF it is correct that police officers are leaving the force in large numbers, it has not got anything to do with the new government. The present government have not instigated any policy towards the police in England, they have not cut the numbers of officers, cut budgets or suggested that they may do so. If anything, the new government has shown its intent to give public sector employees fair pay rises, as they have done with teachers and other public service employees, which would to some degree compensate for the recent years of a fall in pay in Real Terms due to pay freezes and below inflation rises. The Conservative government of Teressa May and David Cameron cut police numbers by 20,000 officers, and on realising this had been a mistake, Boris Johnson then set about recruiting 20,000 officers, hard to believe but true. The police over the last 14 years have endured huge cuts to budgets, a fall in real terms pay and the closure of many police stations. The presure on our police forces has driven many out of the force, precisely the same thing which has happened to our NHS. It reminds me of State School Teachers who in 1997 were in a similar financial situation. Blair Found himself having to 'bribe' experienced Teachers back into their profession. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 14, 2024 14:27:19 GMT
Police exodus threatens Starmer’s manifesto vow for more officers...
Perhaps start supporting police officers and paying them appropriately then, Two-Tier.
The new government has not cut police numbers, the Tories did. The new government has not cut police funding, the Tories did. The new government has not decided on police pay, the Tories either froze it or failed to give the police pay increases to match inflation. Hypocriscy The Tories did not cut Police numbers they could not replace Officers who had left for one reason or another or retired, Blair and Labour inherited a well performing economy and the Treasury Coffers were full. When they were voted out the Treasury Coffers were empty Labour had spent that much that is why Austerity measures had to introduced hence the cut in funding for the Police not enough money to be able to recruit new Officers. As for Police Stations in London being closed many were out of date too small, any Police that were closed was done by Khan the Mayor of London not the Government |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 14, 2024 15:11:00 GMT
Some of them are highly experienced Officers... Much less so nowadays - many of the brass have never done any real police work. ...Murder Squad Senior Officers as an example, there loss would detrimental IMHO Most of those are those are DCs and DSs, and while I agree that their loss would be detrimental, they could hardly be described as senior officers.
One of the Met's biggest issues currently is too many irrelevant high ranking officers and a cull is long overdue.
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2024 16:36:40 GMT
devolved policing in scotland was a big problem in terms of numbers under labour..... once scotland kicked labour out , in 2007 , the numbers rose dramatically. Then only hypocrisy I can see is coming from you Labour Party muppets. Yours is the opinion of a Muppet LOL. There wasn't a Labour government in Scotland in 2007 to be kicked out, It was a coalition coalition government. it was a labour liberal coalition government , with labour being the largest party in government , and holding the office of first minister. As the graph shows , when mcconnel and labour were kicked out and replaced by the minority snp administration , police numbers started to rise. the point of course you labour muppets blaming the tories in england for the same thing you did in scotland. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2024 16:38:12 GMT
they are still at a record high compared to what labour had them when you were in charge of Holyrood.............................. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 14, 2024 16:54:26 GMT
they are still at a record high compared to what labour had them when you were in charge of Holyrood.............................. You really are silly, Labour were not completely in charge and I have certainly never been in charge of anything in Scotland. It took until 2013 before the SNP and the Police actually got their act together. Was the Scottish Police force historically at a low level, was that the norm? If not how or why and when did it reach such a low level? Was it the impact of asylum seekers that required such a hike in the numbers. Nothing adds up without some explanation as to why. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2024 17:12:37 GMT
they are still at a record high compared to what labour had them when you were in charge of Holyrood.............................. You really are silly, Labour were not completely in charge and I have certainly never been in charge of anything in Scotland. you mean to tell me after a quarter of a century of devolution , you dont realise your own party labour set up the devolved parliament under a proportional system where coalition governments are the norm? Jesus! Labour has rigged the election system to its planned Scottish Parliament so the SNP can’t take control of it, a party chief admitted yesterday.
 Labour held 50 of the 67 government seats , they held the office of first minister , and all the key offices of governance , and the liberals were the tiny junior coalition partner. Stop trying to run away from the mess you left regarding police officers and man up . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2024 17:14:55 GMT
they are still at a record high compared to what labour had them when you were in charge of Holyrood.............................. It took until 2013 before the SNP and the Police actually got their act together. by the second quarter of 2008 , the snp minority government had higher police numbers than what labour left them. so stop whining about the tories in england , and own up to our friends in england about the mess you left Scottish policing in when you were last in power in 2007 . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2024 17:20:30 GMT
they are still at a record high compared to what labour had them when you were in charge of Holyrood.............................. Was the Scottish Police force historically at a low level, was that the norm? If not how or why and when did it reach such a low level? Was it the impact of asylum seekers that required such a hike in the numbers. Nothing adds up without some explanation as to why. eh ? asylum seekers ? what are you actually on about? Labours first minister jock McConnell , affectionately known in scotland as joke , had 1.5 billion pounds swilling about in the Scottish labours governments coffers at the time that he could have used , among others things , to increase police numbers. Instead , he gave the money back to blair and brown in London , infamously telling them he had nothing to spend it on......the cunt.........and was awarded a peerage and sits in the House of Lords today as lord glenscorrodale... the then Scottish labour Executive having £1.5 billion of its lavish budget (generously funded by a friendly Labour UK government at Westminster) sitting around unspent, to the point where First Minister Jack McConnell sent it back to the Treasury because he couldn’t think of anything to do with it.
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