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Post by see2 on Oct 17, 2024 13:12:33 GMT
The points I made are absolutely relevant in sorting out your self-interested desire to criticise Labour. Clarify the situation by answering the questions I posted, because if you don't then you are spouting biased nonsense from your rear end. My questions had NOTHING to do with policing in Scotland 'V' England. its not about scotland versus england. Its about labours record in governance , and squealing hypocritically about others parties behaviour when they have done the same if not worse.I have never used that excuse, so that comment is straight from your imagination. You made the statement that police numbers went up after the Labour coalition government fell. All I asked for was the relevant information that would clarify your claim that the only reason police numbers went up was because the Labour Coalition were defeated. Your refusal to oblige indicates that either you don't know, or you wish to hide some truths. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 17, 2024 13:48:13 GMT
The real question should be if the population has increased by 17% since Blair, why hadn't the number of police, nurses, doctors, GPs, dentists hospitals, housing etc increased by 17%?
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 17, 2024 14:13:22 GMT
The real question should be if the population has increased by 17% since Blair, why hadn't the number of police, nurses, doctors, GPs, dentists hospitals, housing etc increased by 17%? Because since Blair left office we have had 3 years of a Labour government and 14 years of a Tory government which has trashed public services, cut public services, wrecked the NHS and not built enough houses. Hope this helps |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 17, 2024 14:27:10 GMT
The Stark Reality is the UK has never ever had enough Police Officers nor Doctors Nurses no matter which Party was in power , when it comes to Policing at the present time in England and Wales there are 147,430 Police Officers nowhere near enough the population of England and Wales two years was just over fifty nine and half million.
Its an impossible task , that is why we you want them to attend and investigate your burglary, or have been robbed in the street more often than not they cannot get to you, they are all engaged committed doing something else in the Station with a prisoner, a lot of Police time is wasted by trivial serial whingers people park outside my house, the neighbours are playing loud music, and numerous other calls that at not Police Matters.
England and Wales needs at least an additional 100,000 Officers preferably 200,000 to do their Job properly, to keep pace with Crime and the rising population
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 14:32:52 GMT
The real question should be if the population has increased by 17% since Blair, why hadn't the number of police, nurses, doctors, GPs, dentists hospitals, housing etc increased by 17%? Because since Blair left office we have had 3 years of a Labour government and 14 years of a Tory government which has trashed public services, cut public services, wrecked the NHS and not built enough houses. Hope this helps But how are those things to be paid for? Clearly, the additional 17% of the population are not paying their way, particularly the new arrivals, and we simply cannot keep over taxing the same, diminishing pool, of tax payers. The elephant in the room here is welfare: There are simply too many non-contributors sucking on the public teat. And robbing pensioners is simply not going to address that. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 14:36:06 GMT
It's common knowledge that civil servants/public sector workers are lefty supporters, Labour thought when they were elected the lefty Union moaners would knuckle under, but seems they've miscalculated the mood of that sector, it seems Teachers, doctors, police, NHS workers, Civil Servants are as unhappy with Labour as they were under the Tories, it's not going to end well for Labour.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 17, 2024 14:43:35 GMT
Because since Blair left office we have had 3 years of a Labour government and 14 years of a Tory government which has trashed public services, cut public services, wrecked the NHS and not built enough houses. Hope this helps But how are those things to be paid for? Clearly, the additional 17% of the population are not paying their way, particularly the new arrivals, and we simply cannot keep over taxing the same, diminishing pool, of tax payers. The elephant in the room here is welfare: There are simply too many non-contributors sucking on the public teat. And robbing pensioners is simply not going to address that. The largest portion of new arrivals since 2004 have been people from Europe, they are called "Migrant Workers" note the word "Workers". People who have come here through the Freedom Of Movement rules are generally younger people, almost all of which came and went into paid employment, they therefore would pay National Insurance, Income Tax, VAT, duty on alcohol and tobbaco, Council Tax, and they would spend their money in shops, supermarkets etc. The Conservative government, like all Conservative governments would prefer to give tax cuts, particularly for the wealthy, rather than improve public services. The Conservative doctrine is that public services should be shrunk, or privatised. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 14:49:51 GMT
The tell tale sign Labour are in BIG trouble, is the fact BIG mouth Rayner is quite, alarm bells should be ringing, ring a ding ding, for Gobby to be quite more shit is yet to hit the fan.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 14:50:13 GMT
It's common knowledge that civil servants/public sector workers are lefty supporters... Is it? I'm certainly not and I have plenty of colleagues that aren't either. And the police for one were generally pro Conservative as you'd expect given that they were generally regarded as the party of law and order. Mind you, that was before "The party of law and order" decided to hoof the police in the balls. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2024 14:54:00 GMT
It's common knowledge that civil servants/public sector workers are lefty supporters... Is it? I'm certainly not and I have plenty of colleagues that aren't either. And the police for one were generally pro Conservative as you'd expect given that they were generally regarded as the party of law and order. Mind you, that was before "The party of law and order" decided to hoof the police in the balls. Ok I'll rephrase it.... Public Sector/Civil Servants are run by lefty Unions, and if you don't strike or follow your 'brothers' you are a blackleg, so technically Civil Servants/Public sector workers are hostages to the LEFTY Unions. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 14:58:56 GMT
But how are those things to be paid for? Clearly, the additional 17% of the population are not paying their way, particularly the new arrivals, and we simply cannot keep over taxing the same, diminishing pool, of tax payers. The elephant in the room here is welfare: There are simply too many non-contributors sucking on the public teat. And robbing pensioners is simply not going to address that. The largest portion of new arrivals since 2004 have been people from Europe, they are called "Migrant Workers" note the word "Workers". People who have come here through the Freedom Of Movement rules are generally younger people, almost all of which came and went into paid employment, they therefore would pay National Insurance, Income Tax, VAT, duty on alcohol and tobbaco, Council Tax, and they would spend their money in shops, supermarkets etc. The Conservative government, like all Conservative governments would prefer to give tax cuts, particularly for the wealthy, rather than improve public services. The Conservative doctrine is that public services should be shrunk, or privatised. And the Labour doctrine is to tax the arse off of anyone who tries to earn a living and give the proceeds to the spongers who can't be arsed. Either way, public services remain shite but at least under the Tories I have more money in my pocket. |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 17, 2024 15:03:18 GMT
The largest portion of new arrivals since 2004 have been people from Europe, they are called "Migrant Workers" note the word "Workers". People who have come here through the Freedom Of Movement rules are generally younger people, almost all of which came and went into paid employment, they therefore would pay National Insurance, Income Tax, VAT, duty on alcohol and tobbaco, Council Tax, and they would spend their money in shops, supermarkets etc. The Conservative government, like all Conservative governments would prefer to give tax cuts, particularly for the wealthy, rather than improve public services. The Conservative doctrine is that public services should be shrunk, or privatised. And the Labour doctrine is to tax the arse off of anyone who tries to earn a living and give the proceeds to the spongers who can't be arsed. Either way, public services remain shite but at least under the Tories I have more money in my pocket. You have more money in your pocket, but if you have a nasty fall, you will wait 3 hours for an ambulance which will take you to the A&E where you will wait another 9 hours on a trolley before you get seen. You have more money in your pocket, but your children or grandchildren who might have Autism or a mental health problem cannot get to see a councillor, doctor or psychiatrist. Tories ... they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 15:15:02 GMT
Is it? I'm certainly not and I have plenty of colleagues that aren't either. And the police for one were generally pro Conservative as you'd expect given that they were generally regarded as the party of law and order. Mind you, that was before "The party of law and order" decided to hoof the police in the balls. Ok I'll rephrase it.... Public Sector/Civil Servants are run by lefty Unions, and if you don't strike or follow your 'brothers' you are a blackleg, so technically Civil Servants/Public sector workers are hostages to the LEFTY Unions. Nope. I'm a civil servant and my department certainly isn't run by the unions, I've never heard of anyone being blacklegged and many of us aren't even union members. So while that may be a perception, it certainly isn't borne out by the reality. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2024 15:20:21 GMT
And the Labour doctrine is to tax the arse off of anyone who tries to earn a living and give the proceeds to the spongers who can't be arsed. Either way, public services remain shite but at least under the Tories I have more money in my pocket. You have more money in your pocket, but if you have a nasty fall, you will wait 3 hours for an ambulance which will take you to the A&E where you will wait another 9 hours on a trolley before you get seen. You have more money in your pocket, but your children or grandchildren who might have Autism or a mental health problem cannot get to see a councillor, doctor or psychiatrist... I've never known it any different under any government, so I'd prefer to face the consequences with more money in my pocket to deal with them should the need arise (which it already did for me under the last Labour government). Labour: The party that know nothing but hate, division and profligacy. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2024 15:25:01 GMT
its not about scotland versus england. Its about labours record in governance , and squealing hypocritically about others parties behaviour when they have done the same if not worse.I have never used that excuse, so that comment is straight from your imagination. stop blaming the tories for having police numbers so low in england when labour did the same in scotland. The comment is warranted , because you spout bullshit on a daily basis on this site. thats correct , and ive backed this up. Labour were defeated , in part for the mess they had police in in scotland , and much more. If you want to know the reasons why labour hadn't funded more police officers in scotland like the snp did once labour were booted out , do your own digging and research. The answer is irrelevant either way to my point , which is stop hypocritically bleating about what other parties do when your party labour do it as well. |
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