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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2024 12:29:27 GMT
As we've seen, the Tories would fuck it up.
And, as we are seeing, Labour will fuck it up even more.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 12, 2024 12:39:12 GMT
But we can judge the Conservatives on 14 years
You cannot judge a new governments record on just three months, for a start off there has yet to be a Budget Statement, we have not completed a single financial year, everything is mostly as it was under the Tories.
Tangible indications of early decisions taken now, and also what might be announced on October 31st will not become truly evident until 1st April 2026.
Criticisers of the new government are basically condemning them before they have really got started.
You cannot instigate good sustainable growth or repair the deficit, or turn around the NHS in 13 weeks, its simply a case of the Tory apologists been predictable.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2024 12:56:13 GMT
But we can judge the Conservatives on 14 years You cannot judge a new governments record on just three months... But we can judge them on the basis of every previous Labour administration which have all been unutterably awful. And the first 100 days of this shit show indicates that this one will be no different.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 12, 2024 13:06:47 GMT
But we can judge the Conservatives on 14 years You cannot judge a new governments record on just three months... But we can judge them on the basis of every previous Labour administration which have all been unutterably awful. And the first 100 days of this shit show indicates that this one will be no different. The period leading upto the world recession of 2008 was the last time we saw decent, sustainable growth, which we have not seen for 14 years. So yes I agree, we can judge the new government on Labours most recent past government
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2024 13:20:36 GMT
But we can judge the Conservatives on 14 years You cannot judge a new governments record on just three months, for a start off there has yet to be a Budget Statement, we have not completed a single financial year, everything is mostly as it was under the Tories. Tangible indications of early decisions taken now, and also what might be announced on October 31st will not become truly evident until 1st April 2026. Criticisers of the new government are basically condemning them before they have really got started. You cannot instigate good sustainable growth or repair the deficit, or turn around the NHS in 13 weeks, its simply a case of the Tory apologists been predictable. Let me tell you something, everyone in the country is dreading the budget, including this government. Money is leaving this country faster than ever before, wealthy people are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship, and who can blame them. This shower are already the most unpopular government in living memory, can you imagine what it's going to be like after the budget in which Reeves is widely predicted to massively increase the tax burden. That useless socialist human rights lawyer who is masquerading as a prime minister is failing to meet even the low standards most people thought he just may achieve. He is clearly out of his depth, he is not only a national embarrassment, but an international embarrassment who has been found wanting. He will not last 12 months. My worry is, looking at the low standard of modern Labour politicians, any replacement is unlikely to be an improvement.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 12, 2024 13:31:46 GMT
Labour's idea of military training, how to get soldiers to come out as trans?
Labour are fucking useless.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 12, 2024 13:33:28 GMT
But we can judge the Conservatives on 14 years You cannot judge a new governments record on just three months, for a start off there has yet to be a Budget Statement, we have not completed a single financial year, everything is mostly as it was under the Tories. Tangible indications of early decisions taken now, and also what might be announced on October 31st will not become truly evident until 1st April 2026. Criticisers of the new government are basically condemning them before they have really got started. You cannot instigate good sustainable growth or repair the deficit, or turn around the NHS in 13 weeks, its simply a case of the Tory apologists been predictable. Let me tell you something, everyone in the country is dreading the budget, including this government. Money is leaving this country faster than ever before, wealthy people are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship, and who can blame them. This shower are already the most unpopular government in living memory, can you imagine what it's going to be like after the budget in which Reeves is widely predicted to massively increase the tax burden. That useless socialist human rights lawyer who is masquerading as a prime minister is failing to meet even the low standards most people thought he just may achieve. He is clearly out of his depth, he is not only a national embarrassment, but an international embarrassment who has been found wanting. He will not last 12 months. My worry is, looking at the low standard of modern Labour politicians, any replacement is unlikely to be an improvement. Correct - The tax burdon is going to be increased, we all know that, but my question was "what would the Tories do differently" ? Revenue going into the Treasury is not enough to match spending going out of the Treasury, a situation inherited from the previous government. Is it not sheer stupidity to believe that the Tories can be a tax cutting government in the situation we are in, or do you believe we can go further along the route of austerity and reduce public spending and investment even more. ? The most unpopular government in living memory was the short lived government of Liz Truss I am preparing for a situation where every single measure to repair the deficit and to turn around public services will be opposed by the Tory apologists such as yourself.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 12, 2024 13:34:41 GMT
Let me tell you something, everyone in the country is dreading the budget, including this government. Money is leaving this country faster than ever before, wealthy people are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship, and who can blame them. This shower are already the most unpopular government in living memory, can you imagine what it's going to be like after the budget in which Reeves is widely predicted to massively increase the tax burden. That useless socialist human rights lawyer who is masquerading as a prime minister is failing to meet even the low standards most people thought he just may achieve. He is clearly out of his depth, he is not only a national embarrassment, but an international embarrassment who has been found wanting. He will not last 12 months. My worry is, looking at the low standard of modern Labour politicians, any replacement is unlikely to be an improvement. Correct - The tax burdon is going to be increased, we all know that, but my question was "what would the Tories do differently" ? Revenue going into the Treasury is not enough to match spending going out of the Treasury, a situation inherited from the previous government. Is it not sheer stupidity to believe that the Tories can be a tax cutting government in the situation we are in, or do you believe we can go further along the route of austerity and reduce public spending and investment even more. ? The most unpopular government in living memory was the short lived government of Liz TrussI am preparing for a situation where every single measure to repair the deficit and to turn around public services will be opposed by the Tory apologists such as yourself. BOLLOCKS fiddles...
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Post by Bentley on Oct 12, 2024 13:52:10 GMT
When the Tory government was dealing with the COVID crisis, the lefties were criticising their every move . When it was pointed out that Labour did not have a clue what to do hence the phrase ‘ Captain Hindsight ‘ the lefties said that Labour was in opposition and was not in power. When Labour was criticised for have no counter policies to the Tories the lefties claimed that there was nothing wrong in letting the Tories make enough mistakes so that Labour could gain power in a future election . Now they want to divert the narrative away from labour and how the Tories would do better. They should not be indulged.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2024 13:56:32 GMT
But we can judge them on the basis of every previous Labour administration which have all been unutterably awful. And the first 100 days of this shit show indicates that this one will be no different. The period leading upto the world recession of 2008 was the last time we saw decent, sustainable growth, which we have not seen for 14 years. So yes I agree, we can judge the new government on Labours most recent past government You seem to be forgetting Crash Gordon. So yes, we can judge by past administrations.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 12, 2024 14:06:19 GMT
The period leading upto the world recession of 2008 was the last time we saw decent, sustainable growth, which we have not seen for 14 years. So yes I agree, we can judge the new government on Labours most recent past government You seem to be forgetting Crash Gordon. So yes, we can judge by past administrations. You can invent or create whatever falsehood you want to and post it here But until the world banking crisis and world recession, we had good sustainable growth, low inflation, low interest rates, increasing living standards, public services all improved, particularly the NHS where waiting lists fell, and all done without running a massive budget deficit. The period 1997 - 2007 was a ten year period of The Good Times, for our economy, for growth, for public services and for living standards. The big crash of 2007-2009 also happened in the United States, Germany, France, Italy and much of the world, was Gordon Brown responsible for that too. ?
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Post by Handyman on Oct 12, 2024 14:06:24 GMT
The period leading upto the world recession of 2008 was the last time we saw decent, sustainable growth, which we have not seen for 14 years. So yes I agree, we can judge the new government on Labours most recent past government You seem to be forgetting Crash Gordon. So yes, we can judge by past administrations. And Harold Wilson that is why the Tories were in power for 18 years
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2024 14:10:13 GMT
Correct - The tax burdon is going to be increased, we all know that, but my question was "what would the Tories do differently" ? Revenue going into the Treasury is not enough to match spending going out of the Treasury, a situation inherited from the previous government. Is it not sheer stupidity to believe that the Tories can be a tax cutting government in the situation we are in, or do you believe we can go further along the route of austerity and reduce public spending and investment even more. ? The most unpopular government in living memory was the short lived government of Liz Truss I am preparing for a situation where every single measure to repair the deficit and to turn around public services will be opposed by the Tory apologists such as yourself. It doesn't matter what the Tories may or may not have done differently, they're not in government. And if the finances are as bad as Starmer claims, which incidentally contradicts the OBR, why did he give away £84 million to corrupt African countries to... 'help them stop illegal migration'? Then he gave away £11.6 billion to corrupt African countries... 'to help them cope with climate change' aww bless. And oddly enough the IFS say that in Rachel Reeves budget she needs to find another £16 billion to meet pledges, oddly enough, the same amount Starmer has just given away to Africa. One would think this freebie grabbing pensioner bashing one term socialist government could not sink any lower, sadly on that front I suspect they will exceed all expectations.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 12, 2024 14:12:12 GMT
You seem to be forgetting Crash Gordon. So yes, we can judge by past administrations. And Harold Wilson that is why the Tories were in power for 18 years The Prime Minister immediately prior to Margaret Thatcher was James ( Jim ) Callaghan It was the militant unions who handed the 1979 general election on a silver tray to Margaret Thatcher "The Winter of Discontent". Labour has two enemies which have prevented them from government (1) The Tories and (2) The far Left
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 12, 2024 14:15:49 GMT
Gone are the days when you had to look the part for a ministerial role, she looks like a Ibiza clubber. Its called a "breath of fresh air" people whom we elected actually look like people we either know or meet in the street, instead of men in suits, and female power-dressers, instead they look "normal", ordinary, people like us, approachable. I think this particular Minister did go too far in describing P&O as a "rogue company", but it is very understandable considering how P&O treated British workers. Something which the Tory Party did nothing about More like a bad breath of stale hair wonder when the last time that seen water, I normally say it's not what's on the head, it's what's in it, but in her instance the inside of her head is as dumb as the outside of it.
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