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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2024 21:46:01 GMT
The Chagos Islands were never part of Mauritius - the French just lumped them in with Mauritius (and the Seychelles) for colonial administrative purposes and the UK continued that practice. When the French arrived on the scene the islands were uninhabited and nobody laid claim to them. Mauritius has never had control over the Islands and only a few Mauritian contractors employed by the French and British has ever set foot on them. They are actually closer to the Seychelles.
Mauritius as a colony included the Chagos Islands, and under U.N conventions, and according to the International Court, the UK acted in a dishounourable way by extracting the Chagos Islands from Mauritius for the sole purpose of handing Diego Garcia to the Americans. It would be like the UK granting independence to Australia without Tasmania, or granting independence to Canada without Vancouver Island, both of which are / and were legally part of the two colonies. The United States will retain its military base, and the islands will revert back to Mauritius, and we will further fulfil our commitment to the process of decolonization begun by Harold MacMillans "Wind of Change" speech in the 1960, which is the right thing to do. The Seychelles were part of the same administrative region - do you want those 'returned' to Mauritius? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 11, 2024 4:27:58 GMT
You do appear to have a weird imagination ^^ It's par for the course around here. Right wingers spouting imaginary bollocks, agreeing with each other and calling it debate, and anyone who disagrees with them is by definition a troll. lol The irony!  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 11, 2024 12:29:48 GMT
A typical nonsensical right wing approach - we can steal someone else's territory or land because it is in our interests to do so, the policy of Putin. It doesn't matter whether holding onto an Atoll in the Indian Ocean could be of strategic importance to the UK, the fact is that since 1968 we held onto it illegaly, the islands are not ours. The paramount issue above all other issues to consider is the people who lived there, and the 2 main gripes of the Chagosians were (1) the way in which they were evicted, and (2) the right to go back which has been denied to them until now. The era of colonisation and colonies is long gone, the interests of the people of The Falkland Islands, Gibraltar and all other overseas territories are what count, and the Chagosian Islanders now have what they wanted. What I find particularly distastefull in this debate is that no reference is been made to the gross injustice inflicted on the islanders by the UK. You're still talking left wing rubbish, and it must be said, few will be surprised. The Chagosians were not involved in any talks and were not consulted, however in the light of Starmer giving away sovereign British territory without the permission of the British parliament, it has emerged that many Chagosians do not want to relocate to the Chagos Islands and those who may be willing to return have said they will only relocate if they can retain British citizenship. In other words, fuck Mauritius. Perhaps the Chagosians will be forced to relocate, so Starmer doesn't look a bloody fool, although it must be said, it's a bit late for that. |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 11, 2024 13:14:35 GMT
The Chagos Islanders pre 1968, before the UK created this new colony out of thin air ( for the sole purpose of giving part of the Chagos Islands to America ),the inhabitants of the Chagos Islands were citizens of Mauritius (fact).
Until the Americans expressed a wish to develop a military base there, the Chagos Islands were never a separate colony, and were originally administered by The Seychelles, and later made part of the colony of Mauritius in 1903.
As for the idea that the Chagosians were never consulted, there is no legal requirement or any need for the UK to consult with them, because so far as international law is concerned they are all Mauritians, and as such they only authority they can consult with about their status is Mauritius.
Most Chagos Isladers wont go back, some may want to go back, and if any do wish to return, they now can as citizens of Mauritius going back to live in what has been part of Mauritius since 1903.
The idea that Chagosians want to retain British citizenship ( which they had as citizens of the British colony of Mauritius ) WAS NOT part of their long standing protests. Their 2 issues were (1) the way in which the British evicted them, and (2) they wanted the right to return.
They now have the right to return, which is, and always was the number one complaint.
In the end, the UK would have lost any legal battle to retain the Chagos Islands, the "Advisory" ruling against the UK would eventually have become Binding, and in doing so would have meanth the UK been in breach of either a U.N resolution or a ruling of The International Court, and could have resulted in sanctions been imposed upon us.
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Post by see2 on Oct 12, 2024 8:12:43 GMT
A typical nonsensical right wing approach - we can steal someone else's territory or land because it is in our interests to do so, the policy of Putin. It doesn't matter whether holding onto an Atoll in the Indian Ocean could be of strategic importance to the UK, the fact is that since 1968 we held onto it illegaly, the islands are not ours. The paramount issue above all other issues to consider is the people who lived there, and the 2 main gripes of the Chagosians were (1) the way in which they were evicted, and (2) the right to go back which has been denied to them until now. The era of colonisation and colonies is long gone, the interests of the people of The Falkland Islands, Gibraltar and all other overseas territories are what count, and the Chagosian Islanders now have what they wanted. What I find particularly distastefull in this debate is that no reference is been made to the gross injustice inflicted on the islanders by the UK. You're still talking left wing rubbish, and it must be said, few will be surprised. The Chagosians were not involved in any talks and were not consulted, however in the light of Starmer giving away sovereign British territory without the permission of the British parliament, it has emerged that many Chagosians do not want to relocate to the Chagos Islands and those who may be willing to return have said they will only relocate if they can retain British citizenship. In other words, fuck Mauritius. Perhaps the Chagosians will be forced to relocate, so Starmer doesn't look a bloody fool, although it must be said, it's a bit late for that. Can you say where you got your information from? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 12, 2024 8:16:13 GMT
It's par for the course around here. Right wingers spouting imaginary bollocks, agreeing with each other and calling it debate, and anyone who disagrees with them is by definition a troll. lol The irony! There's no irony there, just reality. For which you appear to have no answer. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 12, 2024 8:17:57 GMT
You're still talking left wing rubbish, and it must be said, few will be surprised. The Chagosians were not involved in any talks and were not consulted, however in the light of Starmer giving away sovereign British territory without the permission of the British parliament, it has emerged that many Chagosians do not want to relocate to the Chagos Islands and those who may be willing to return have said they will only relocate if they can retain British citizenship. In other words, fuck Mauritius. Perhaps the Chagosians will be forced to relocate, so Starmer doesn't look a bloody fool, although it must be said, it's a bit late for that. Can you say where you got your information from? Chagossians criticise lack of say in UK deal to hand over islands...
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Post by jonksy on Oct 12, 2024 8:19:49 GMT
The irony! There's no irony there, just reality. For which you appear to have no answer. The Irony... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2024 10:06:34 GMT
You're still talking left wing rubbish, and it must be said, few will be surprised. The Chagosians were not involved in any talks and were not consulted, however in the light of Starmer giving away sovereign British territory without the permission of the British parliament, it has emerged that many Chagosians do not want to relocate to the Chagos Islands and those who may be willing to return have said they will only relocate if they can retain British citizenship. In other words, fuck Mauritius. Perhaps the Chagosians will be forced to relocate, so Starmer doesn't look a bloody fool, although it must be said, it's a bit late for that. Can you say where you got your information from? Seriously? Do I assume too much if I assume you have access to google? People with roots in the Chagos Islands have criticised what they called their "exclusion" from negotiations leading to the UK government's deal to give up its sovereignty of the region - link
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Post by jonksy on Oct 12, 2024 10:40:15 GMT
Can you say where you got your information from? Seriously? Do I assume too much if I assume you have access to google? People with roots in the Chagos Islands have criticised what they called their "exclusion" from negotiations leading to the UK government's deal to give up its sovereignty of the region - link
He asked me if I knew how to use Google. This from an Idiot who on another thread had to ask when the budget days is...FFS |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 12, 2024 15:11:09 GMT
Seriously? Do I assume too much if I assume you have access to google? People with roots in the Chagos Islands have criticised what they called their "exclusion" from negotiations leading to the UK government's deal to give up its sovereignty of the region - link
He asked me if I knew how to use Google. This from an Idiot who on another thread had to ask when the budget days is...FFS and doesn't realise when someone is taking the piss .... LOL |
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Post by see2 on Oct 12, 2024 18:52:20 GMT
Your post along with your Avatar point directly to your complete adherence to the 'Dark Legend'. There is one single thing that I will always report a post for, your post has been reported and you know why. What the fuck is the "Dark Legend"? Is it something you made up for when people persistently disagree with you, so you can pretend you are right and they are part of something sinister? All The Best The "Dark Legend" is recorded as playing an effective role in destroying the Spanish Empire. It was a time when the Spanish Conquistadores successes in the Americas began to be recognizes to be not so great as people had been led to believe. This, along with some European countries also getting a foot hold into the Americas, and a general dislike of the Spanish throwing their weight around in Europe, set in motion a succession of lies, denigration, insinuations and deceptions by European countries against the Spanish. I liken their behaviour to Conservative propaganda against their political rivals. i.e. The Dark Legend. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 12, 2024 18:53:38 GMT
There's no irony there, just reality. For which you appear to have no answer. The Irony... Rightist nonsense ^^ |
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Post by see2 on Oct 12, 2024 18:56:43 GMT
He asked me if I knew how to use Google. This from an Idiot who on another thread had to ask when the budget days is...FFS and doesn't realise when someone is taking the piss .... LOL Righties must always be taking the piss, there is no other explanation for the nonsense they post |
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Post by see2 on Oct 12, 2024 19:00:40 GMT
Can you say where you got your information from? Seriously? Do I assume too much if I assume you have access to google? People with roots in the Chagos Islands have criticised what they called their "exclusion" from negotiations leading to the UK government's deal to give up its sovereignty of the region - link
How could I know where YOU got YOUR information from, without asking you? It might have been from the unreliable GB News for all I knew. |
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