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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 12:02:38 GMT
Have you not noticed Labour's massive majority? Does that make parliament and the opposition irrelevant? No but international treaties have never been under the remit of parliament unless it chooses to debate them. The opposition have limited opportunities to initiate parliamentary debates, and using one for this would be a waste of such an opportunity. There will be occasions when the Foreign Secretary is answering parliamentary questions and of course there are PMQs. Anyone so minded can raise the issue then. Including Farage if he can be bothered to turn up |
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 9, 2024 12:03:12 GMT
Hang on, so parliament is just some optional thing and the feelings of the Labour leader is paramount, and that we are just supposed to believe he would have won anyway? It's no wonder Labour is so widely despised today.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 9, 2024 12:03:24 GMT
How do you know it would be the same FFS fiddles Have you not noticed Labour's massive majority? 20% starmer FFS.... |
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 9, 2024 12:04:01 GMT
Have you not noticed Labour's massive majority? 20% starmer FFS.... And falling... |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 9, 2024 12:05:03 GMT
You make him sound like a typical labour MP at least Farage pays for his own trips, attire, specs and accomadation.... Not quite. He pays for such things from funds raised as Membership Fees by his "Private Company Pretending To Be A Political Party" - Reform. Another nice scam he has going. All The Best So you admit then that it isn't bribes by the rich... |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 9, 2024 12:06:18 GMT
Even some labour MP's are questioning his motives and why they were not CONSULTED... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 12:08:27 GMT
Have you not noticed Labour's massive majority? 20% starmer FFS.... Doesn't matter. The voters are not in parliament. In parliament Labour has a massive majority amongst MPs which does tend to suggest the certainty of Labour winning any vote there. This is how we know what the outcome would be. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 9, 2024 12:13:50 GMT
Doesn't matter. The voters are not in parliament. In parliament Labour has a massive majority amongst MPs which does tend to suggest the certainty of Labour winning any vote there. This is how we know what the outcome would be. 80% say it does matter.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 12:43:10 GMT
Doesn't matter. The voters are not in parliament. In parliament Labour has a massive majority amongst MPs which does tend to suggest the certainty of Labour winning any vote there. This is how we know what the outcome would be. 80% say it does matter.... They don't sit or vote in parliament so cannot outvote Labour's majority there. Which is why Labour's majority there is the only thing that matters in a parliamentary vote. Please don't tell me or otherwise demonstrate that you are too stupid to understand that, lol |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 9, 2024 13:33:10 GMT
80% say it does matter.... so cannot outvote Labour's majority there. Which is why Labour's majority there is the only thing that matters in a parliamentary vote. Please don't tell me or otherwise demonstrate that you are too stupid to understand that, lol So you are happy then that the present shower of shit are there with just 20% votes of the electorate. Funny how you had a different point of view when the UK voted to leave your beloved EUSSR isn't it? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2024 13:39:17 GMT
80% say it does matter.... They don't sit or vote in parliament so cannot outvote Labour's majority there. Which is why Labour's majority there is the only thing that matters in a parliamentary vote. Please don't tell me or otherwise demonstrate that you are too stupid to understand that, lol An unpopular government might weaken the leaders position . An unpopular leader will almost certainly weaken the leaders position . We know what can happen to a government when its leader is weakened . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 13:41:32 GMT
They don't sit or vote in parliament so cannot outvote Labour's majority there. Which is why Labour's majority there is the only thing that matters in a parliamentary vote. Please don't tell me or otherwise demonstrate that you are too stupid to understand that, lol So you are happy then that the present shower of shit are there with just from the votes of 20% of the electorate. Funny how you had a different point of view when the UK voted to leave your beloved ESSR isn't it? They got 35 percent of the vote because in a democracy only those who bother to vote actually count towards the outcome. But no I am not happy with it because I believe in PR. If we had a fair voting system Labour wouldn't even have a majority. And just so you know, I myself didn't actually vote Labour. But all that is a separate point. In any parliamentary vote, only the majority in parliament actually counts. Which is why a debate there on the Chagos islands will make no difference whatsoever due to Labour's massive majority in parliament. How it got that majority could be questioned by those of us wanting democratic reform. But it changes nothing insofar as the reality of bums on seats in parliament right now is concerned. But I expect you will kneejerk another ill thought out response devoid of real understanding. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 9, 2024 13:45:38 GMT
So you are happy then that the present shower of shit are there with just from the votes of 20% of the electorate. Funny how you had a different point of view when the UK voted to leave your beloved ESSR isn't it? They got 35 percent of the vote because in a democracy only those who bother to vote actually count towards the outcome. But no I am not happy with it because I believe in PR. If we had a fair voting system Labour wouldn't even have a majority. And just so you know, I myself didn't actually vote Labour.But all that is a separate point. In any parliamentary vote, only the majority in parliament actually counts. Which is why a debate there on the Chagos islands will make no difference whatsoever due to Labour's massive majority in parliament. How it got that majority could be questioned by those of us wanting democratic reform. But it changes nothing insofar as the reality of bums on seats in parliament right now is concerned. But I expect you will kneejerk another ill thought out response devoid of real understanding. You could have fooled me...And wasn't it both labour and the lib-dems who voted against PR when they had the chance? |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 9, 2024 13:49:54 GMT
So you think it ok to ignore parliament,glad you made that clear. A treaty that rights a long standing wrong does not constitutionally require legislation or therefore the approval of parliament. Oppositions can however force debates on issues that the government might choose not to waste time on, they have a certain number of opportunities to do this. But were it to come to any kind of vote, Labour would win it anyway. So the entire exercise would be pointless, just an opportunity for more hot air and petty point scoring. If the opposition want to use one of their limited opportunities to open a parliamentary debate, they would be best advised to save it for an issue that matters much more to to everyday lives of our own people. I am a little surprised at your tendency lately to kneejerk your way onto every passing right wing band wagon, but I guess you are entitled to your views. Why thank you so much. So ignoring the wishes of the islanders is a right wing bandwagon? And I’m surprised that you as a Corbyn supporter so readily jump to the defence of Starmer  It is not right wing to be alarmed at the disregard for parliament and any standards because don’t forget it is steamer and co who were shouting from the rooftops about sleaze and accepting so called gifts,it’s no use coming back with this or that Tory took a gift,it is the here and now. The thing is and I’ve said this for a long time you know where you are with the tories but labour project all upstanding there’ll be no sleaze on our watch and they’re as bent as a nine bob note. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 9, 2024 13:53:31 GMT
A treaty that rights a long standing wrong does not constitutionally require legislation or therefore the approval of parliament. Oppositions can however force debates on issues that the government might choose not to waste time on, they have a certain number of opportunities to do this. But were it to come to any kind of vote, Labour would win it anyway. So the entire exercise would be pointless, just an opportunity for more hot air and petty point scoring. If the opposition want to use one of their limited opportunities to open a parliamentary debate, they would be best advised to save it for an issue that matters much more to to everyday lives of our own people. I am a little surprised at your tendency lately to kneejerk your way onto every passing right wing band wagon, but I guess you are entitled to your views. Why thank you so much. So ignoring the wishes of the islanders is a right wing bandwagon? And I’m surprised that you as a Corbyn supporter so readily jump to the defence of Starmer It is not right wing to be alarmed at the disregard for parliament and any standards because don’t forget it is steamer and co who were shouting from the rooftops about sleaze and accepting so called gifts,it’s no use coming back with this or that Tory took a gift,it is the here and now. The thing is and I’ve said this for a long time you know where you are with the tories but labour project all upstanding there’ll be no sleaze on our watch and they’re as bent as a nine bob note.In more ways than one... |
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