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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 20, 2024 8:02:16 GMT
What do resident Reformers make of Nige's decision to make Zia Yusuf the new party chairman. Yusuf will be taking centre stage at Reform's annual conference in Birmingham next week delivering a keynote speech highlighting the contributions that migrants have made and are making to British society.
Yusuf is the 37 year-old son of immigrants from Sri Lanka who arrived for work in the NHS in the 1980s. After a career in banking with Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs he went on to form a luxury concierge firm that provided “money can’t buy” experiences to its wealthy clients. The sale of this business enabled him to become the largest donor to Reform's campaign fund for the last election.
He is quoted in the Times as stating that his key objective as Chairman is to make voting for Reform 'socially acceptable'. The Times, on the other hand, poses the question whether his rapid rise up the greasy political pole is in itself another opportunistic move by Farage, the great opportunist.
What say you? A sound strategy on Nige's behalf or yet another sell-out?
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Post by jonksy on Sept 20, 2024 8:44:58 GMT
What do resident Reformers make of Nige's decision to make Zia Yusuf the new party chairman. Yusuf will be taking centre stage at Reform's annual conference in Birmingham next week delivering a keynote speech highlighting the contributions that migrants have made and are making to British society.
Yusuf is the 37 year-old son of immigrants from Sri Lanka who arrived for work in the NHS in the 1980s. After a career in banking with Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs he went on to form a luxury concierge firm that provided “money can’t buy” experiences to its wealthy clients. The sale of this business enabled him to become the largest donor to Reform's campaign fund for the last election.
He is quoted in the Times as stating that his key objective as Chairman is to make voting for Reform 'socially acceptable'. The Times, on the other hand, poses the question whether his rapid rise up the greasy political pole is in itself another opportunistic move by Farage, the great opportunist.
What say you? A sound strategy on Nige's behalf or yet another sell-out?
It seems fair enough to me. At least he didnt arrive at these shores by rubber dinghy.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 20, 2024 9:02:43 GMT
What do resident Reformers make of Nige's decision to make Zia Yusuf the new party chairman. Yusuf will be taking centre stage at Reform's annual conference in Birmingham next week delivering a keynote speech highlighting the contributions that migrants have made and are making to British society.
Yusuf is the 37 year-old son of immigrants from Sri Lanka who arrived for work in the NHS in the 1980s. After a career in banking with Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs he went on to form a luxury concierge firm that provided “money can’t buy” experiences to its wealthy clients. The sale of this business enabled him to become the largest donor to Reform's campaign fund for the last election.
He is quoted in the Times as stating that his key objective as Chairman is to make voting for Reform 'socially acceptable'. The Times, on the other hand, poses the question whether his rapid rise up the greasy political pole is in itself another opportunistic move by Farage, the great opportunist.
What say you? A sound strategy on Nige's behalf or yet another sell-out?
Having listened to what he says there does not seem to be any issues with his politics from my perspective. He does seem to be of the opinion that people should come to Britain to partake wholly in British society and eschews those who denigrate British society and seem to wish to destroy it. Politics is opportunistic surely, in all respects. We have to accept that we are where we are and we have to work best with what we have and stop it becoming worse as going into reverse gear is not likely to gain electoral support even if it is what many want. It seems pragmatic as opposed to a sell out as it is not clear what he is selling out, on the major issues all seem agreed in general terms.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 20, 2024 9:09:27 GMT
"Now I'm safely inside let's raise the drawbridge" appears to be the core message.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 20, 2024 9:28:53 GMT
"Now I'm safely inside let's raise the drawbridge" appears to be the core message. Not clear on what you mean. Is that Farage saying we are in Parliament now so we put restriction on future candidates? Is that Yusuf saying I am in the party now and others cannot follow? One thing is clear Reform as currently constituted would have many accusations of anti democracy thrown at it and possibly in the future a legal action against it. It has to Reform itself to keep working effectively and of course the very act of reforming will lead to a risk of usurpers of different beliefs and malicious intent. The risk comes with the territory.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 20, 2024 9:29:46 GMT
"Now I'm safely inside let's raise the drawbridge" appears to be the core message. Nobody pulls the drawbridge up in the UK against those who are running for their lives..
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 20, 2024 10:04:54 GMT
What do resident Reformers make of Nige's decision to make Zia Yusuf the new party chairman. Yusuf will be taking centre stage at Reform's annual conference in Birmingham next week delivering a keynote speech highlighting the contributions that migrants have made and are making to British society.
Yusuf is the 37 year-old son of immigrants from Sri Lanka who arrived for work in the NHS in the 1980s. After a career in banking with Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs he went on to form a luxury concierge firm that provided “money can’t buy” experiences to its wealthy clients. The sale of this business enabled him to become the largest donor to Reform's campaign fund for the last election.
He is quoted in the Times as stating that his key objective as Chairman is to make voting for Reform 'socially acceptable'. The Times, on the other hand, poses the question whether his rapid rise up the greasy political pole is in itself another opportunistic move by Farage, the great opportunist.
What say you? A sound strategy on Nige's behalf or yet another sell-out?
I've read his bio before. I had the same thoughts as you appear to have. Nig is doing about the same as the one who thought Anthony Blunt was a good fit for the job. Maybe Reform is one of their groups all along. As an observer you really have no way of being sure about anything to do with allegiances, but probabilistically, when it s a Sri Lankan or Indian etc, the chances are it is not above board.
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Post by Hutchyns on Sept 20, 2024 10:05:46 GMT
Given that more often than not it's the Racism stick that is used to beat Reform with, the opportunity to be able to point to Chairman Yusuf may go some way in deflecting those blows from the Media and the Left. Any political Party with senior members who have Merrill Lynch or Goldman Sachs connections does make me uneasy and very wary, so I'll retain some scepticism about Reform at present.
Are Reform controlled opposition ?, playing a similar role as an officially sanctioned home for permitted centrist right wing thought such as the Daily Mail plays ?, as long as you could read that the Mail was up in arms about an issue, you could nod your head approvingly in the knowledge someone else might do something about it and there was no need to leave your armchair and take any active measures yourself ...... let any potential trouble makers put a cross in the box next to Reform once every 5 years, that should be enough to keep them docile ....... I expect GB News fulfills a similar purpose.
And by the time Reform were to be watered down sufficiently to attract women voters and gain support in sufficient numbers to form a Government, would they be of much more use than the last few Tory governments anyway ? Plus, when it comes down to it, does Nige actually share any real intention of tackling ongoing situations that concern core Reform voters ? For instance, the White British population declining from 87% down to 74% in just 20 years ..... does Nige give two hoots about that ? ..... does Goldman Sachs Yusuf have any concerns ? I certainly wouldn't pin my hopes on Reform, or imagine that any worthwhile solution can be, or would be allowed to be implemented by way of the ballot box.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 20, 2024 10:08:57 GMT
"Now I'm safely inside let's raise the drawbridge" appears to be the core message. Another favourite trick of the elite is lets run both sides of the debate as the proles are so thick they fall for it every time.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 20, 2024 10:09:26 GMT
Reform will do well the same way Labour did, because the other parties are performing badly, Labour only won because the Tories were falling apart, they handed Labour the election on a plate, by the time the next GE comes along Labour will be far more unpopular than the Tories were at the last election, but Starmer will not be leader of the Labour party at the next GE.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 20, 2024 10:14:54 GMT
"Is that Yusuf saying I am in the party now and others cannot follow?"
Not the party, the country.
The motivations of erstwhile migrants who present as immigration restrictionists or abolitionists are always open to question. There is one thing that is certain: they are not acting in the interest of the host population, but rather out of undeclared interests of their own.
The other very curious aspect of this phenomenom is the magnetic attraction that it holds for all Mainstream parties, who cannot recruit enough of them. Reform, it seems, is not immune.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 20, 2024 11:34:47 GMT
What do resident Reformers make of Nige's decision to make Zia Yusuf the new party chairman. Yusuf will be taking centre stage at Reform's annual conference in Birmingham next week delivering a keynote speech highlighting the contributions that migrants have made and are making to British society.
Yusuf is the 37 year-old son of immigrants from Sri Lanka who arrived for work in the NHS in the 1980s. After a career in banking with Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs he went on to form a luxury concierge firm that provided “money can’t buy” experiences to its wealthy clients. The sale of this business enabled him to become the largest donor to Reform's campaign fund for the last election.
He is quoted in the Times as stating that his key objective as Chairman is to make voting for Reform 'socially acceptable'. The Times, on the other hand, poses the question whether his rapid rise up the greasy political pole is in itself another opportunistic move by Farage, the great opportunist.
What say you? A sound strategy on Nige's behalf or yet another sell-out? I've listened to Zia Yusuf a few times on GB News, he sounds OK to me. Smart move by Farage? Yes I think so. The left accuse Farage, Tice, Anderson etc of being racists and far right but to use the same slurs on a dark skinned Muslim, well that would be a bit awkward because as we all know, as far as the left are concerned only white English people can be racists/far right.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 20, 2024 11:36:33 GMT
What do resident Reformers make of Nige's decision to make Zia Yusuf the new party chairman. Yusuf will be taking centre stage at Reform's annual conference in Birmingham next week delivering a keynote speech highlighting the contributions that migrants have made and are making to British society.
Yusuf is the 37 year-old son of immigrants from Sri Lanka who arrived for work in the NHS in the 1980s. After a career in banking with Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs he went on to form a luxury concierge firm that provided “money can’t buy” experiences to its wealthy clients. The sale of this business enabled him to become the largest donor to Reform's campaign fund for the last election.
He is quoted in the Times as stating that his key objective as Chairman is to make voting for Reform 'socially acceptable'. The Times, on the other hand, poses the question whether his rapid rise up the greasy political pole is in itself another opportunistic move by Farage, the great opportunist.
What say you? A sound strategy on Nige's behalf or yet another sell-out? I've listened to Zia Yusuf a few times on GB News, he sounds OK to me. Smart move by Farage? Yes I think so. The left accuse Farage, Tice, Anderson etc of being racists and far right but to use the same slurs on a dark skinned Muslim, well that would be a bit awkward because as we all know, as far as the left are concerned only white English people can be racists/far right. Well said RR....
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Post by sandypine on Sept 20, 2024 11:38:55 GMT
"Is that Yusuf saying I am in the party now and others cannot follow?" Not the party, the country. The motivations of erstwhile migrants who present as immigration restrictionists or abolitionists are always open to question. There is one thing that is certain: they are not acting in the interest of the host population, but rather out of undeclared interests of their own. The other very curious aspect of this phenomenom is the magnetic attraction that it holds for all Mainstream parties, who cannot recruit enough of them. Reform, it seems, is not immune. Well he believes that having the same policy as the last 30 years is damaging to the country then it seems sensible he supports another policy. No one has said pull up the drawbridge just have a very strict assessment of those wishing to come in. Reform is not a cultural or ethnic separatist party, they clearly state they will work with where we are. Many may disagree but that is their clear policy and their support is broadly along the lines for some that it is better than any of the others.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 20, 2024 12:17:08 GMT
I've listened to Zia Yusuf a few times on GB News, he sounds OK to me. Smart move by Farage? Yes I think so. The left accuse Farage, Tice, Anderson etc of being racists and far right but to use the same slurs on a dark skinned Muslim, well that would be a bit awkward because as we all know, as far as the left are concerned only white English people can be racists/far right. I recall the BNP trying to pull a similar stunt around twenty years ago in an attempt to fend off accusations of anti-Semitism. Although many in the party advised them not to, they went ahead anyway and selected a Jewish candidate for councillor, in Epping Forest as I recall. That was about the same time as they appointed a Sikh as their spokesman for ethnic affairs and an ethnic Turk as a Candidate for the London assembly.
None of this nonsense had any effect other than prompting a mass exodus of members, while those they were trying to persuade that the leopard had changed its spots were not convinced.
I suspect that Reform's efforts to 'reach out' will have a similar outcome.
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