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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 22, 2024 14:43:38 GMT
Apologies Dan, you're correct this is all off topic.
To return to the Reform Chairman, you seem to indicate that a Muslim should not be chairman. Are there any other positions within the party that you think that Muslims should be excluded from?
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2024 14:49:25 GMT
Apologies Dan, you're correct this is all off topic. To return to the Reform Chairman, you seem to indicate that a Muslim should not be chairman. Are there any other positions within the party that you think that Muslims should be excluded from? Well it pose's a dilema for the left does it not andrea? Hard for them not to be able to play the race card which is their usual MO. This was a stroke of genius by reform.. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 22, 2024 15:08:21 GMT
Apologies Dan, you're correct this is all off topic. To return to the Reform Chairman, you seem to indicate that a Muslim should not be chairman. Are there any other positions within the party that you think that Muslims should be excluded from? I don't believe the term 'Muslim' appeared in this thread until you introduced it.
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 22, 2024 15:28:13 GMT
Apologies Dan, you're correct this is all off topic. To return to the Reform Chairman, you seem to indicate that a Muslim should not be chairman. Are there any other positions within the party that you think that Muslims should be excluded from? Well it pose's a dilema for the left does it not andrea? Hard for them not to be able to play the race card which is their usual MO. This was a stroke of genius by reform.. It doesn't pose a dilemma for the left, as no-one who is either centrist or left is going to consider Reform as an option anyway! 😉 |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 22, 2024 15:30:32 GMT
Apologies Dan, you're correct this is all off topic. To return to the Reform Chairman, you seem to indicate that a Muslim should not be chairman. Are there any other positions within the party that you think that Muslims should be excluded from? I don't believe the term 'Muslim' appeared in this thread until you introduced it. Apologies, in that case we both agree that being a Muslim shouldn't be a barrier to a position in the Reform Party. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2024 15:49:54 GMT
Well it pose's a dilema for the left does it not andrea? Hard for them not to be able to play the race card which is their usual MO. This was a stroke of genius by reform.. It doesn't pose a dilemma for the left, as no-one who is either centrist or left is going to consider Reform as an option anyway! 😉 Of course it does andrea. You yourself have accused others of being racist and xenophobic little Englanders if they have dared to mention their thoughs over the influx of uninvited moslems... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 22, 2024 16:02:42 GMT
It doesn't pose a dilemma for the left, as no-one who is either centrist or left is going to consider Reform as an option anyway! 😉 Of course it does andrea. You yourself have accused others of being racist and xenophobic little Englanders if they have dared to mention their thoughs over the influx of uninvited moslems... He was of course not an asylum seeker, so irrelevant here. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2024 16:26:38 GMT
Of course it does andrea. You yourself have accused others of being racist and xenophobic little Englanders if they have dared to mention their thoughs over the influx of uninvited moslems... He was of course not an asylum seeker, so irrelevant here. I had already stated that andrea in reply to the op...See post 2 of the op...
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 22, 2024 16:44:15 GMT
I don't believe the term 'Muslim' appeared in this thread until you introduced it. Apologies, in that case we both agree that being a Muslim shouldn't be a barrier to a position in the Reform Party. My point is rather that it will be very counter-productive for Reform's efforts to try and position themselves as a credible alternative to the existing parties if they simply follow their example in falling over themselves to parachute ethnic minorities into senior positions within the party hierarchy.
They have no need to do this and should simply face down those critics who insist that not following suit in that respect is 'racist' or 'xenophobic'.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 17:55:45 GMT
Apologies, in that case we both agree that being a Muslim shouldn't be a barrier to a position in the Reform Party. My point is rather that it will be very counter-productive for Reform's efforts to try and position themselves as a credible alternative to the existing parties if they simply follow their example in falling over themselves to parachute ethnic minorities into senior positions within the party hierarchy.
They have no need to do this and should simply face down those critics who insist that not following suit in that respect is 'racist' or 'xenophobic'.
That presupposes that that is what has happened, I tend to think the guy is intelligent, articulate and certainly opines along the Reform type agenda. I agree that parachuting any ethnic minority in is bad form as an effort to prove a point or garner votes but unlike many other parties and situations I do not believe that is what has happened here. We always said the danger of positive action was that no one would ever believe any ethnic minority person got there under their own steam. Being a credible alternative is removing ammunition that the MSN and other parties will use against one but that is best done through the meritocratic process as opposed to the racially selective process. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 22, 2024 19:10:38 GMT
I don't think it will surprise you to learn that I don't agree.
There is no route to success for Reform in following the well-trodden path of the old-gang parties. There is no space on the political spectrum for yet another party that hews to the multiculturalist line. There are more than enough existing parties crowded into that particular space and jostling each other for prominence, and they all manage it far better than Reform could ever hope to do given its historical 'baggage'.
The political vacuum that exists is for a political faction that unequivocably positions itself as the champion for the majority, native population. That could have been Reform, but with an opportunist chancer like Farage pulling the strings I very much doubt that will come to pass.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 20:16:57 GMT
I don't think it will surprise you to learn that I don't agree. There is no route to success for Reform in following the well-trodden path of the old-gang parties. There is no space on the political spectrum for yet another party that hews to the multiculturalist line. There are more than enough existing parties crowded into that particular space and jostling each other for prominence, and they all manage it far better than Reform could ever hope to do given its historical 'baggage'. The political vacuum that exists is for a political faction that unequivocably positions itself as the champion for the majority, native population. That could have been Reform, but with an opportunist chancer like Farage pulling the strings I very much doubt that will come to pass. That is why I said the time for such a party has been and gone and if it did exist it would now never achieve any electoral success. We have travelled too far down the road of a mixed race ethnically diverse society and the only option we have now is damage limitation. Stopping mass immigration and repatriation of those not entitled to be here is the only viable option. Reform seem to be strong on stopping mass immigration not so strong on the repatriation route though. Just out of curiosity how does one politically place oneself unequivocally on the side of the native population and defining the native population is now a real nightmare. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 22, 2024 20:49:19 GMT
I'm not so sure I agree. As the denouement draws ever closer, and the realisation dawns that minority status is an inevitability there could yet be a reawakening, not so much amongst the older folk whose inaction, complacency and apathy has been the root cause of the present demographic calamity but amongst their children and grandchildren who may yet wake up to the reality that the birthright bequeathed to their parents and grandparents has been given away.
Especially since the prospect of flight has been drastically curtailed since Brexit. Unless they can arrange to emigrate to one or another of the former white settler colonies, but even that is going to much harder as they pursue their own multiculturalist agendas.
No, the only viable solution is a political one, and one which as you note requires both an end to mass immigration and a remigration solution.
That's the opportunity which awaits Reform, or any other faction which has the fortitude to grasp the nettle.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 21:08:42 GMT
I'm not so sure I agree. As the denouement draws ever closer, and the realisation dawns that minority status is an inevitability there could yet be a reawakening, not so much amongst the older folk whose inaction, complacency and apathy has been the root cause of the present demographic calamity but amongst their children and grandchildren who may yet wake up to the reality that the birthright bequeathed to their parents and grandparents has been given away. Especially since the prospect of flight has been drastically curtailed since Brexit. Unless they can arrange to emigrate to one or another of the former white settler colonies, but even that is going to much harder as they pursue their own multiculturalist agendas. No, the only viable solution is a political one, and one which as you note requires both an end to mass immigration and a remigration solution. That's the opportunity which awaits Reform, or any other faction which has the fortitude to grasp the nettle. I do not believe remigration is possible too many obstacles and opponents and propaganda. Repatriation of illegals and fraudulent citizenships are certainly a possibility that may cause some angst in places but the price is probably worth paying. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 23, 2024 6:51:16 GMT
Well it pose's a dilema for the left does it not andrea? Hard for them not to be able to play the race card which is their usual MO. This was a stroke of genius by reform.. It doesn't pose a dilemma for the left, as no-one who is either centrist or left is going to consider Reform as an option anyway! 😉 As I said in my earlier comment, it poses a problem for the left whose only answer to Reform is the race card |
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