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Post by oracle75 on Dec 20, 2022 10:16:47 GMT
I get tired of hearing how the UK democratically voted to leave the EU. They voted because they believed the lies told to them by a bunch of opportunists who continued to lie when in government and when what they promised fell apart, they did too. The Brexit issue was couched in the idea that nothing serious could ever affect the UK. That the country could do what it wanted to because it had always been able to do so. After all they won the war 75 years ago. And when 4 years later something happened that proved that the UK was not unique or impervious to setbacks, the wonderful Tories emptied the treasury to replace what governments had failed to maintain and found ways to make money for their cronies too. If you want to talk about corruption, look no further than the House of Lords. The whole story is one of overarrogant crewmembers taking over a ship, promising gold just over the horizon, and crashing it on the rocks because they forgot to check for holes under the waterline. The Tory Brexit government couldn't organise a school trip let alone a country. The just wanted no brakes on whatever profits they could make. As for EU regulations, how's that working out? They are why the UK is suffocating under a mountain of paperwork and why so many small businesses went bankrupt. A country either continue to follow EU trade rules as a third country or it doesn't trade. And they don't get to veto or opt out of those rules. Today millions of people are realising that their democratic vote was one big con. And while they can't vote on the EU again, they can make sure the Tory Brexit liars are out in the silent cold for a long time. By the way, one condition of joining the EU is that the applicant is a democracy with a constitution and the other is that the decision to join must conform to a democratic vote as described in that Constitution. All countries were given a democratic vote on joining. Please post facts. Finally Ireland voted the second time on a revised proposal which was adjusted according to IRELAND'S request. Perhaps those who object to the EU could find a legitimate reason for doing so. So far there aren't any in Red's posts. And he makes up what he needs. For now the whole thing is pointless. Muddling through is going to have to do. And one day, the UK will apply to rejoin. And it will be up to the EU to decide. Right now the answer would be a loud no. So everyone is happy right now. Except for the UK. I wonder why? More undemocratic pro EU waffle. You remainiacs constantly whinge about a democratic referendum, while pretending to forget we were denied a referendum on joining the EU. You have no 'democratic' argument, you are a pro EU left wing extremist who is willing to see democracy trashed in order for your version of democracy to be forced on Europe. You are a dangerous shouty minority. Now fuck off.  Now would you mind actually replying to the points and issues in my post, which challenged your previous arguments, and not put your head down and charge, hoping to make contact? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 20, 2022 10:27:33 GMT
More undemocratic pro EU waffle. You remainiacs constantly whinge about a democratic referendum, while pretending to forget we were denied a referendum on joining the EU. You have no 'democratic' argument, you are a pro EU left wing extremist who is willing to see democracy trashed in order for your version of democracy to be forced on Europe. You are a dangerous shouty minority. Now fuck off. Now would you mind actually replying to the points and issues in my post, which challenged your previous arguments, and not put your head down and charge, hoping to make contact? But the points you make are largely your version of events. Now understand that the referendum is over and the result was decided over six years ago and there's nothing you can do by sitting on a forum whinging because your side didn't succeed in cvonvincing enough people; of course you were all smiling whilst leave vote looked like winning. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 20, 2022 13:09:40 GMT
Now would you mind actually replying to the points and issues in my post, which challenged your previous arguments, and not put your head down and charge, hoping to make contact? But the points you make are largely your version of events. Now understand that the referendum is over and the result was decided over six years ago and there's nothing you can do by sitting on a forum whinging because your side didn't succeed in cvonvincing enough people; of course you were all smiling whilst leave vote looked like winning. Increased paperwork is a fact. The promise of money for the NHS which clearly never happened is a fact. Other promises made have not been fulfilled or even acted on. That is a fact. The reason for the second referendum in Ireland is a fact. The process of joining the EU is a fact. As it happens what you wrote is both a very old statement and is not fact. I am not that concerned about Brexit. What concerns me is the lies told by one of the worst governments in living memory and why they told them. THAT TOO is a fact. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 20, 2022 14:08:41 GMT
But the points you make are largely your version of events. Now understand that the referendum is over and the result was decided over six years ago and there's nothing you can do by sitting on a forum whinging because your side didn't succeed in cvonvincing enough people; of course you were all smiling whilst leave vote looked like winning. Increased paperwork is a fact. The promise of money for the NHS which clearly never happened is a fact. Other promises made have not been fulfilled or even acted on. That is a fact. The reason for the second referendum in Ireland is a fact. The process of joining the EU is a fact. As it happens what you wrote is both a very old statement and is not fact. I am not that concerned about Brexit. What concerns me is the lies told by one of the worst governments in living memory and why they told them. THAT TOO is a fact. They're mopstly irrelevant and sour grapes, we ar no longer in the EU. If you want to continue your crusade, may I suggest you stand in the corner mumbling to yourself rather than spend time on here re-inventing history. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 20, 2022 17:35:14 GMT
Increased paperwork is a fact. The promise of money for the NHS which clearly never happened is a fact. Other promises made have not been fulfilled or even acted on. That is a fact. The reason for the second referendum in Ireland is a fact. The process of joining the EU is a fact. As it happens what you wrote is both a very old statement and is not fact. I am not that concerned about Brexit. What concerns me is the lies told by one of the worst governments in living memory and why they told them. THAT TOO is a fact. They're mopstly irrelevant and sour grapes, we ar no longer in the EU. If you want to continue your crusade, may I suggest you stand in the corner mumbling to yourself rather than spend time on here re-inventing history. Consider yourself ignored. I prefer to chat with people who understands English and who doesn't have to insult others instead of having an adult conversation. I already said I don't care about Brexit. I care about this Brexit government who can't run a Brownie camp. But please do carry on regurgitating nasty historical retorts. I won't know about it. I don't have to allow unpleasant people into my life. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2022 17:54:32 GMT
But the points you make are largely your version of events. Now understand that the referendum is over and the result was decided over six years ago and there's nothing you can do by sitting on a forum whinging because your side didn't succeed in cvonvincing enough people; of course you were all smiling whilst leave vote looked like winning. Increased paperwork is a fact. The promise of money for the NHS which clearly never happened is a fact. Other promises made have not been fulfilled or even acted on. That is a fact. The reason for the second referendum in Ireland is a fact. The process of joining the EU is a fact. As it happens what you wrote is both a very old statement and is not fact. I am not that concerned about Brexit. What concerns me is the lies told by one of the worst governments in living memory and why they told them. THAT TOO is a fact. These are rather odd facts. The NHS has had massive amounts of extra money, the people of NI don't want a referendum and as for Governments telling lies - well you need to get used to that..  |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 20, 2022 17:56:47 GMT
They're mopstly irrelevant and sour grapes, we ar no longer in the EU. If you want to continue your crusade, may I suggest you stand in the corner mumbling to yourself rather than spend time on here re-inventing history. Consider yourself ignored. I prefer to chat with people who understands English and who doesn't have to insult others instead of having an adult conversation. I already said I don't care about Brexit. I care about this Brexit government who can't run a Brownie camp. But please do carry on regurgitating nasty historical retorts. I won't know about it. I don't have to allow unpleasant people into my life. Apologies Mainwaring. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 20, 2022 17:56:49 GMT
Increased paperwork is a fact. The promise of money for the NHS which clearly never happened is a fact. Other promises made have not been fulfilled or even acted on. That is a fact. The reason for the second referendum in Ireland is a fact. The process of joining the EU is a fact. As it happens what you wrote is both a very old statement and is not fact. I am not that concerned about Brexit. What concerns me is the lies told by one of the worst governments in living memory and why they told them. THAT TOO is a fact. These are rather odd facts. The NHS has had massive amounts of extra money, the people of NI don't want a referendum and as for Governments telling lies - well you need to get used to that.. Yeah, but the money for the NHS was supposed to come from savings made from leaving the EU. Did the extra money to the NHS come from those savings? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2022 17:58:28 GMT
These are rather odd facts. The NHS has had massive amounts of extra money, the people of NI don't want a referendum and as for Governments telling lies - well you need to get used to that.. Yeah, but the money for the NHS was supposed to come from savings made from leaving the EU. Did the extra money to the NHS come from those savings? Well we spent that £10 Billion on something... |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 20, 2022 18:00:09 GMT
Yeah, but the money for the NHS was supposed to come from savings made from leaving the EU. Did the extra money to the NHS come from those savings? Well we spent that £10 Billion on something... We bought a fleet of red buses with slogans on them. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 20, 2022 18:00:35 GMT
Yeah, but the money for the NHS was supposed to come from savings made from leaving the EU. Did the extra money to the NHS come from those savings? Well we spent that £10 Billion on something... Are you saying that the UK has made a saving of £10 billion each year since leaving the EU? I thought that the cost of the extra bureaucracy was £17 billion in one month alone last year. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 20, 2022 18:01:49 GMT
Well we spent that £10 Billion on something... We bought a fleet of red buses with slogans on them. Polls are saying 65% are dissatisfied with Brexit and only 32% are satisfied. Maybe it's time to buy more buses. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2022 18:25:41 GMT
Well we spent that £10 Billion on something... Are you saying that the UK has made a saving of £10 billion each year since leaving the EU? I thought that the cost of the extra bureaucracy was £17 billion in one month alone last year. Yes - well, thinking is not your strong point.. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 20, 2022 18:27:01 GMT
Are you saying that the UK has made a saving of £10 billion each year since leaving the EU? I thought that the cost of the extra bureaucracy was £17 billion in one month alone last year. Yes - well, thinking is not your strong point.. Common law. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2022 21:25:31 GMT
Yeah, but the money for the NHS was supposed to come from savings made from leaving the EU. Did the extra money to the NHS come from those savings? Well we spent that £10 Billion on something... Covid-19? |
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