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Post by sandypine on Dec 19, 2022 16:02:48 GMT
Did you just not tell me off a few short posts ago for suggesting that that is the principle people voted on when they made a judgement on that balance. What? Maybe not quite the same but on similar lines when you said; "And please don't repeat the claim that the people voted based on the nuances of the Constitution or the finer points of international trade, not when the most popular google search on the day the results were announced was 'what is the EU'?" I would say many people did look at the balance and thought the price to pay was too high. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 16:18:11 GMT
Maybe not quite the same but on similar lines when you said; "And please don't repeat the claim that the people voted based on the nuances of the Constitution or the finer points of international trade, not when the most popular google search on the day the results were announced was 'what is the EU'?" I would say many people did look at the balance and thought the price to pay was too high. The next-day searches indicate many didn't. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 19, 2022 17:02:23 GMT
Your profile not mine, darling. You shouldn't try to be me, Benny. Set your sights higher. I was going to try. Thanks for the heads up, darling. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 17:03:03 GMT
There were two types of immigrant Those willing to work Those not willing to work and either sponge or do crime. A section of those willing to work undercut even retail staff to get jobs, this was not good migration it was globalisation's race to the bottom. Migrants who abuse the system should either be in prison or back where they came from. Not that that is always easy. The only people who could "undercut" anything is the employers, even then they could not legally pay less than the minimum wage. Sorry for the late reply, my computer opened up on a much earlier page. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 19, 2022 18:26:03 GMT
Maybe not quite the same but on similar lines when you said; "And please don't repeat the claim that the people voted based on the nuances of the Constitution or the finer points of international trade, not when the most popular google search on the day the results were announced was 'what is the EU'?" I would say many people did look at the balance and thought the price to pay was too high. The next-day searches indicate many didn't. I would say that was possibly part of the process for some people. Looking to get a full picture may necessitate a simple search. I know quite a lot about some things but if I wanted to find out more, or a different opinion, then a simple search question would be sufficient. You are reading too much into it. However if that judgement was made last minute it is still a judgement. No different to the judgements made in 75 when which way the vote was cast may have been on the opinion page on whichever newspaper they read that day. We do know in 75 the press was almost universally behind a Yes vote. Of course for others having cast a vote in 75 then seen what the EU had become and hearing about what had transpired in Parliament they may have already made their mind up. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 18:34:10 GMT
The next-day searches indicate many didn't. I would say that was possibly part of the process for some people. Looking to get a full picture may necessitate a simple search. I know quite a lot about some things but if I wanted to find out more, or a different opinion, then a simple search question would be sufficient. You are reading too much into it. However if that judgement was made last minute it is still a judgement. No different to the judgements made in 75 when which way the vote was cast may have been on the opinion page on whichever newspaper they read that day. We do know in 75 the press was almost universally behind a Yes vote. Of course for others having cast a vote in 75 then seen what the EU had become and hearing about what had transpired in Parliament they may have already made their mind up. Hmmm, I think the surprising thing was that the search happened after the result had been announced. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 19, 2022 19:55:12 GMT
If there's one thing our leaving the EU has done, it is to increase the demand for popcorn; well done you Remnants.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 20:18:23 GMT
If there's one thing our leaving the EU has done, it is to increase the demand for popcorn; well done you Remnants. And the demand for wrinkly prunes has decreased proportionately. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 19, 2022 20:20:49 GMT
Maybe not quite the same but on similar lines when you said; "And please don't repeat the claim that the people voted based on the nuances of the Constitution or the finer points of international trade, not when the most popular google search on the day the results were announced was 'what is the EU'?" I would say many people did look at the balance and thought the price to pay was too high. The next-day searches indicate many didn't. They may be the ones that did not vote and have non participants possible regrets. Apparently it was the second most popular search and they also released popular searches before the referendum which showed strong consideration of the pros and cons. As I said you either are reading too much into it or want to read too much into it for which there is little evidence. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 20:24:14 GMT
The next-day searches indicate many didn't. They may be the ones that did not vote and have non participants possible regrets. Apparently it was the second most popular search and they also released popular searches before the referendum which showed strong consideration of the pros and cons. As I said you either are reading too much into it or want to read too much into it for which there is little evidence. Given the closeness of the result, I don't think it's possible to read too much into it. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 22:00:54 GMT
If there's one thing our leaving the EU has done, it is to increase the demand for popcorn; well done you Remnants. Only Brex-shit use the term Remnants, both are meant as insults. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 19, 2022 22:03:08 GMT
If there's one thing our leaving the EU has done, it is to increase the demand for popcorn; well done you Remnants. Only Brex-shit use the term Remnants, both are meant as insults. You said that a couple of days ago. Remnant is what's left after the job's done....perfect description. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 19, 2022 22:11:46 GMT
Only Brex-shit use the term Remnants, both are meant as insults. You said that a couple of days ago. Remnant is what's left after the job's done....perfect description. Exactly. I tend to call them ex remainers because they still cling on to the past . They have serious problems in admitting that there is no membership of the EU that remains for them. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 19, 2022 22:48:03 GMT
They may be the ones that did not vote and have non participants possible regrets. Apparently it was the second most popular search and they also released popular searches before the referendum which showed strong consideration of the pros and cons. As I said you either are reading too much into it or want to read too much into it for which there is little evidence. Given the closeness of the result, I don't think it's possible to read too much into it. Is that not what you just did by offering us a popular search after the referendum with the implied criticism that people voted leave and then searched for what is the EU. There is much evidence that google were busy with many searches as regards the EU well before the referendum and many were seeking out Leave information. The thing of course is we do not know why people voted the way they did, or which people carried out the searches, all we have to go on is Leave received more support than Remain. Of course ever since then the bitter lemon grimaces of one side have filled the void we once called politics. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 23:11:31 GMT
You're waffling. You accuse the UK of being undemocratic because we 'democratically' voted to leave your wonderful EU. LOL. You talk about constitutions, what about former European countries, now subservient EU states, who have written constitutions? Most weren't asked if they wanted to join a European political union, and the few who were asked and voted no, had to vote again. Is this your idea of European democracy? I think Mikhail Gorbachev was right, don't you? As Herr Juncker famously said: " there can be no democratic choice against the European treaties".
Written constitution indeed lol. Get in the bin Einy. I get tired of hearing how the UK democratically voted to leave the EU. They voted because they believed the lies told to them by a bunch of opportunists who continued to lie when in government and when what they promised fell apart, they did too. The Brexit issue was couched in the idea that nothing serious could ever affect the UK. That the country could do what it wanted to because it had always been able to do so. After all they won the war 75 years ago. And when 4 years later something happened that proved that the UK was not unique or impervious to setbacks, the wonderful Tories emptied the treasury to replace what governments had failed to maintain and found ways to make money for their cronies too. If you want to talk about corruption, look no further than the House of Lords. The whole story is one of overarrogant crewmembers taking over a ship, promising gold just over the horizon, and crashing it on the rocks because they forgot to check for holes under the waterline. The Tory Brexit government couldn't organise a school trip let alone a country. The just wanted no brakes on whatever profits they could make. As for EU regulations, how's that working out? They are why the UK is suffocating under a mountain of paperwork and why so many small businesses went bankrupt. A country either continue to follow EU trade rules as a third country or it doesn't trade. And they don't get to veto or opt out of those rules. Today millions of people are realising that their democratic vote was one big con. And while they can't vote on the EU again, they can make sure the Tory Brexit liars are out in the silent cold for a long time. By the way, one condition of joining the EU is that the applicant is a democracy with a constitution and the other is that the decision to join must conform to a democratic vote as described in that Constitution. All countries were given a democratic vote on joining. Please post facts. Finally Ireland voted the second time on a revised proposal which was adjusted according to IRELAND'S request. Perhaps those who object to the EU could find a legitimate reason for doing so. So far there aren't any in Red's posts. And he makes up what he needs. For now the whole thing is pointless. Muddling through is going to have to do. And one day, the UK will apply to rejoin. And it will be up to the EU to decide. Right now the answer would be a loud no. So everyone is happy right now. Except for the UK. I wonder why? More undemocratic pro EU waffle. You remainiacs constantly whinge about a democratic referendum, while pretending to forget we were denied a referendum on joining the EU. You have no 'democratic' argument, you are a pro EU left wing extremist who is willing to see democracy trashed in order for your version of democracy to be forced on Europe. You are a dangerous shouty minority. Now fuck off.  |
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