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Post by wapentake on Aug 14, 2024 9:51:09 GMT
No it isn’t it’s logical that someone with mixed loyalties could present a problem. The example I gave of the royal family,is pointing that out racist?Why would a black person born in the UK with only UK citizenship have mixed loyalties? Mixed loyalties with whom? So you couldn’t answer my question. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 14, 2024 9:54:19 GMT
The rules on housing are the same today as what they were before the general election, so the new Labour government have changed nothing.
An asylum seeker / illegal immigrant DOES NOT have the same rights as British citizens when it comes to housing, and unless or until they are granted permission to stay in this country, they CANNOT go onto any housing list.
SOME asylum seekers are placed in private housing, but not very many, they have no choice as to which homes they are placed in, and most of these homes are in the poorest, least desireable, mostly run down areas of the country, often houses that British citizens do not want.
If, or when an asylum seeker is given permission to stay in the country, they may be eligable to go onto a housing list, but they do not take any precidence over anyone. The same rules apply, and if for example a Syrian mother with a baby or children goes onto the housing list, she will instantly get more points than someone with no children. ( The rules take into account children as a "duty of care to an innocent child" ).
There is far too much rubbish posted around with regards to asylum seekers, often comparing OUR pensioners to asylum seekers, or OUR OWN PEOPLE.
I would like to see any pensioner live on a total income of £35.00 per week - and that figure is to buy your food, clothes, toiletries and cleaning materials.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 14, 2024 10:02:42 GMT
...I would like to see any pensioner live on a total income of £35.00 per week - and that figure is to buy your food, clothes, toiletries and cleaning materials. And as a Labour voter I've no doubt you would. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 14, 2024 10:41:05 GMT
The rules on housing are the same today as what they were before the general election, so the new Labour government have changed nothing. An asylum seeker / illegal immigrant DOES NOT have the same rights as British citizens when it comes to housing, and unless or until they are granted permission to stay in this country, they CANNOT go onto any housing list. SOME asylum seekers are placed in private housing, but not very many, they have no choice as to which homes they are placed in, and most of these homes are in the poorest, least desireable, mostly run down areas of the country, often houses that British citizens do not want. If, or when an asylum seeker is given permission to stay in the country, they may be eligable to go onto a housing list, but they do not take any precidence over anyone. The same rules apply, and if for example a Syrian mother with a baby or children goes onto the housing list, she will instantly get more points than someone with no children. ( The rules take into account children as a "duty of care to an innocent child" ).There is far too much rubbish posted around with regards to asylum seekers, often comparing OUR pensioners to asylum seekers, or OUR OWN PEOPLE. I would like to see any pensioner live on a total income of £35.00 per week - and that figure is to buy your food, clothes, toiletries and cleaning materials. What you and the other lefties seem to be incapable of understanding is if the ‘ Syrian mother’ has remained in Syria she wouldn’t be on the list at all . Which would make it easier for the natives to access housing . |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2024 10:48:48 GMT
The rules on housing are the same today as what they were before the general election, so the new Labour government have changed nothing. Well that is not entirely true - Labour have scrapped the changes announced by the previous Government to allocation system for social housing. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 11:40:03 GMT
The rules on housing are the same today as what they were before the general election, so the new Labour government have changed nothing. An asylum seeker / illegal immigrant DOES NOT have the same rights as British citizens when it comes to housing, and unless or until they are granted permission to stay in this country, they CANNOT go onto any housing list. SOME asylum seekers are placed in private housing, but not very many, they have no choice as to which homes they are placed in, and most of these homes are in the poorest, least desireable, mostly run down areas of the country, often houses that British citizens do not want. If, or when an asylum seeker is given permission to stay in the country, they may be eligable to go onto a housing list, but they do not take any precidence over anyone. The same rules apply, and if for example a Syrian mother with a baby or children goes onto the housing list, she will instantly get more points than someone with no children. ( The rules take into account children as a "duty of care to an innocent child" ).There is far too much rubbish posted around with regards to asylum seekers, often comparing OUR pensioners to asylum seekers, or OUR OWN PEOPLE. I would like to see any pensioner live on a total income of £35.00 per week - and that figure is to buy your food, clothes, toiletries and cleaning materials. What you and the other lefties seem to be incapable of understanding is if the ‘ Syrian mother’ has remained in Syria she wouldn’t be on the list at all . Which would make it easier for the natives to access housing . Stating the bleedin obvious to the left never seems to work all they will do is call you racist. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 14, 2024 11:53:29 GMT
The rules on housing are the same today as what they were before the general election, so the new Labour government have changed nothing. An asylum seeker / illegal immigrant DOES NOT have the same rights as British citizens when it comes to housing, and unless or until they are granted permission to stay in this country, they CANNOT go onto any housing list. SOME asylum seekers are placed in private housing, but not very many, they have no choice as to which homes they are placed in, and most of these homes are in the poorest, least desireable, mostly run down areas of the country, often houses that British citizens do not want. If, or when an asylum seeker is given permission to stay in the country, they may be eligable to go onto a housing list, but they do not take any precidence over anyone. The same rules apply, and if for example a Syrian mother with a baby or children goes onto the housing list, she will instantly get more points than someone with no children. ( The rules take into account children as a "duty of care to an innocent child" ).There is far too much rubbish posted around with regards to asylum seekers, often comparing OUR pensioners to asylum seekers, or OUR OWN PEOPLE. I would like to see any pensioner live on a total income of £35.00 per week - and that figure is to buy your food, clothes, toiletries and cleaning materials. What you and the other lefties seem to be incapable of understanding is if the ‘ Syrian mother’ has remained in Syria she wouldn’t be on the list at all . Which would make it easier for the natives to access housing . Your post is irrelevant - Whilst I fully accept that some refugees / asylum seekers are not what they claim, some are. The point about any Syrian or Iranian mother with a child or children, is that first and foremost they are human beings, the default position is NOT that "all asylum seekers are fraudulant", and thats the stance that people like you take. There is no easy answers to solving the boats problem, if there was, then the previous government would have found the answer, and the means of solving it are just as difficult for the new government. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 14, 2024 12:05:21 GMT
What you and the other lefties seem to be incapable of understanding is if the ‘ Syrian mother’ has remained in Syria she wouldn’t be on the list at all . Which would make it easier for the natives to access housing . Your post is irrelevant - Whilst I fully accept that some refugees / asylum seekers are not what they claim, some are. The point about any Syrian or Iranian mother with a child or children, is that first and foremost they are human beings, the default position is NOT that "all asylum seekers are fraudulant", and thats the stance that people like you take. There is no easy answers to solving the boats problem, if there was, then the previous government would have found the answer, and the means of solving it are just as difficult for the new government. When you say ‘ irrelevant’ you mean you are ignoring it. The reality is that every immigrant on the housing list extends the queue and makes it more difficult for non immigrants to access housing . The issue of fraud / previous government is something you introduced to divert from the point made . |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 12:14:08 GMT
What you and the other lefties seem to be incapable of understanding is if the ‘ Syrian mother’ has remained in Syria she wouldn’t be on the list at all . Which would make it easier for the natives to access housing . Your post is irrelevant - Whilst I fully accept that some refugees / asylum seekers are not what they claim, some are. The point about any Syrian or Iranian mother with a child or children, is that first and foremost they are human beings, the default position is NOT that "all asylum seekers are fraudulant", and thats the stance that people like you take. There is no easy answers to solving the boats problem, if there was, then the previous government would have found the answer, and the means of solving it are just as difficult for the new government. Some are but a Syrian mother and child does not have to travel three thousand miles to find safety nor get in a small boat and risk drowning to get here if safety is the paramount factor. Not to mention the oodles of cash that she paid out for the privilege. The whole world is full of human beings and we cannot save them all so perhaps we should not even try because in the main no good deed goes unpunished and we are largely despised by those you prefer to arrive. There are plenty of easy answers to the small boats they just refuse to carry them out and this government seems intent on the rest of us 'living with' the increased numbers until they find a solution that so far they have done their best to avoid by scrapping plans put in place by the last government |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 14, 2024 12:17:46 GMT
If the UK made it plain that no illegal immigrant will ever become a British national then the flow of illegal immigrants would stop and the UK would have a specific number of illegal immigrants to deal with .
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Post by wapentake on Aug 14, 2024 12:18:15 GMT
What you and the other lefties seem to be incapable of understanding is if the ‘ Syrian mother’ has remained in Syria she wouldn’t be on the list at all . Which would make it easier for the natives to access housing . Your post is irrelevant - Whilst I fully accept that some refugees / asylum seekers are not what they claim, some are. The point about any Syrian or Iranian mother with a child or children, is that first and foremost they are human beings, the default position is NOT that "all asylum seekers are fraudulant", and thats the stance that people like you take. There is no easy answers to solving the boats problem, if there was, then the previous government would have found the answer, and the means of solving it are just as difficult for the new government. His post isn’t irrelevant,the people who are seen to be irrelevant are indigenous Brits. And no not all asylum seekers are fraudulent but being one shouldn’t be a shortcut to a house benefits etc. People left this country to start a new life,they were the £10 poms and they had to live in basic accommodation find work and prove their worth to their new country. Here the bibby Stockholm or use of old military camps oh dear me no they cry it’s not fair or humane,well life isn’t always bloody fair and to succeed you have to work at it. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 14, 2024 13:30:07 GMT
If the UK made it plain that no illegal immigrant will ever become a British national then the flow of illegal immigrants would stop and the UK would have a specific number of illegal immigrants to deal with . I think you are wrong - It wouldnt matter twopennce if an asylum seeker or illegal immigrant ( I accept there are both ) was, or was not a UK citizen. If they were here, and couldn't go back, and the UK cannot send them back, then they have got what they wanted ... a new life in a European country. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 14, 2024 13:35:52 GMT
If the UK made it plain that no illegal immigrant will ever become a British national then the flow of illegal immigrants would stop and the UK would have a specific number of illegal immigrants to deal with . I think you are wrong - It wouldnt matter twopennce if an asylum seeker or illegal immigrant ( I accept there are both ) was, or was not a UK citizen. If they were here, and couldn't go back, and the UK cannot send them back, then they have got what they wanted ... a new life in a European country. The threat of a few of them going to Rwanda got many of them running to Ireland. If they knew that they would never achieve asylum then they might not invest the large amount of money it takes to pay the criminal traffickers . If the ones who were here had to live indefinitely as stateless people confined to holding camps then the numbers would diminish very quickly. If it didn’t then at least we would have a quantified problem . |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 14, 2024 14:04:43 GMT
The rules on housing are the same today as what they were before the general election, so the new Labour government have changed nothing. An asylum seeker / illegal immigrant DOES NOT have the same rights as British citizens when it comes to housing, and unless or until they are granted permission to stay in this country, they CANNOT go onto any housing list. SOME asylum seekers are placed in private housing, but not very many, they have no choice as to which homes they are placed in, and most of these homes are in the poorest, least desireable, mostly run down areas of the country, often houses that British citizens do not want. If, or when an asylum seeker is given permission to stay in the country, they may be eligable to go onto a housing list, but they do not take any precidence over anyone. The same rules apply, and if for example a Syrian mother with a baby or children goes onto the housing list, she will instantly get more points than someone with no children. ( The rules take into account children as a "duty of care to an innocent child" ). There is far too much rubbish posted around with regards to asylum seekers, often comparing OUR pensioners to asylum seekers, or OUR OWN PEOPLE. I would like to see any pensioner live on a total income of £35.00 per week - and that figure is to buy your food, clothes, toiletries and cleaning materials. The pensioner has housing costs which you are ignoring to suit your agenda , food/toiletries/cleaning material are suppliable to those who ask foc through foodbanks /charities and other do-gooders |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 14, 2024 14:55:02 GMT
If the UK made it plain that no illegal immigrant will ever become a British national then the flow of illegal immigrants would stop and the UK would have a specific number of illegal immigrants to deal with . I think you are wrong - It wouldnt matter twopennce if an asylum seeker or illegal immigrant ( I accept there are both ) was, or was not a UK citizen. If they were here, and couldn't go back, and the UK cannot send them back, then they have got what they wanted ... a new life in a European country. The fact that asylum seekers/illegals are not sent back to the 'safe' EU which is where they illegally enter the UK from, is a complete travesty of justice and common sense. Imagine the EU reaction if the flood of 'asylum seekers' and 'refugees' were going in the opposite direction. I have no doubt that would be completely different. It absolutely beggars belief that anyone can pay a people smuggler in the 'safe' EU to illegally cross the channel then claim asylum or refugee status in England, it's absolute insanity. This would never have happened years ago and the reason it's happening today has nothing to do with the ECHR, that's nothing more than a convenient excuse. The reason illegals from the EU are allowed to stay in this country is because we have weak globalist politicians who for the most part look down on the majority and, behind closed doors, think more of the EU than they do of the UK. In 2016 Rachel Reeves predicted mass immigration would cause riots on the streets of the UK, and she was right. But I suspect the unrest we saw a couple of weeks ago is nothing more than a light aperitif. Starmer can jail people, he can censor the internet, he can force a police state on us, and all it will do is harden peoples resolve. The immigration issue is not going away. |
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