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Post by Vinny on Jun 24, 2024 15:43:20 GMT
Is it because there aren't enough good Scots playing for the top Scottish teams?
Rangers:
Scottish players 8
Non Scottish players 20.
Celtic:
Scottish players 6
Non Scottish players 21
Aberdeen:
Scottish players 7
Non Scottish players 18
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 25, 2024 7:48:24 GMT
That's part of it, though you'll find similar stats for the top teams in the EPL.
The difference is the quality of the foreign players (many of whom are English). None of those playing in Scotland are good enough to appear for their countries at the Euros.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 25, 2024 10:31:21 GMT
That's part of it, though you'll find similar stats for the top teams in the EPL. Absolutely. English players are not foreign.
Why do you think I argue for a British league and a British international team?
Are Scotland's teams not good enough to compete with the English clubs?
If that's the case what's the point of them?
Create a UK league and cap the number of non UK players per team at 5.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jun 25, 2024 11:00:27 GMT
Vinny No they are not good enough, and if there's no point in having them, then your proposed plan to destroy them was as good as any I've read. With regards to point one, the most recent example I can recall when a top English club was pitted against a top Scottish team was October 2022. Scottish football generates it's income via the two Glasgow giants. The money the Scottish clubs get through TV deals is due to people subscribing or tuning in to watch Rangers or Celtic. The Scottish Premier division clubs get their big pay days when they're home or away to Rangers or Celtic ...... the local businesses also when when thousands of travelling Celtic or Rangers fans come to town, swell the attendances and put money in the coffers. Vinny's plan to steal the golden geese that lay the golden eggs by removing Celtic and Rangers from the Scottish League is the equivalent of placing financial sanctions on Scottish football, ensuring its remaining professional clubs would go to the wall in their tens of dozens. And spare a thought for Rangers and Celtic fans, used to travelling around Scotland watching their teams win. Now they'd be faced with huge extra travelling ... how many Premier League (or his new 'British League) just in London for instance ? .... loading on vast new expense and travelling, combined with seeing their teams more often than not getting beaten ...... a lose/lose for fans of the big two also. No point in them ? ..... just implement Vinny's plan to decimate Scottish professional football for good ...sanctions with a sporting touch  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 25, 2024 11:30:30 GMT
I’ll be honest i have little interest in a load of blokes kicking a pigs bladder round a field. Real men do it with pointy balls However, i’ve heard little else ever since Sky encouraged creation of a ‘Premier’ league to make money from except whinges that other levels of team play are just screwed by no money appearing to trickle down Is Scotland REALLY any different than England and Wales in that respect  |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 25, 2024 12:35:47 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 25, 2024 12:37:01 GMT
I expect our Scottish contingent will only rear their heads when England get KO.
Haven't seen hide nor hair of them since the Euro's started.
Can't think why.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 25, 2024 14:34:01 GMT
I’ll be honest i have little interest in a load of blokes kicking a pigs bladder round a field. Real men do it with pointy balls However, i’ve heard little else ever since Sky encouraged creation of a ‘Premier’ league to make money from except whinges that other levels of team play are just screwed by no money appearing to trickle down Is Scotland REALLY any different than England and Wales in that respect I hear you. And no, Scotland, England, Wales, all have the same problem.
Too many imported players, not enough stars trained up by the academies.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 25, 2024 21:21:51 GMT
I expect our Scottish contingent will only rear their heads when England get KO. Haven't seen hide nor hair of them since the Euro's started. Can't think why. The thing is we are always disappointed but never really surprised. I am trying my hardest to support England and despite years of cheering on Polish goalkeepers, God's hand and Koeman I am almost there.However they will have to do far better than the general rubbish they have served up so far. The last twenty minutes tonight may promise something different but against Denmark I thought I was watching a Scotland game. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 25, 2024 21:29:52 GMT
I’ll be honest i have little interest in a load of blokes kicking a pigs bladder round a field. Real men do it with pointy balls However, i’ve heard little else ever since Sky encouraged creation of a ‘Premier’ league to make money from except whinges that other levels of team play are just screwed by no money appearing to trickle down Is Scotland REALLY any different than England and Wales in that respect I hear you. And no, Scotland, England, Wales, all have the same problem.
Too many imported players, not enough stars trained up by the academies.
The thing is when Celtic won the European cup all those years ago all the players were born and mainly lived within 30 miles of Celtic Park. When Scotland were the first team to beat England the world champions the players on the park for Scotland were either playing in England or Scotland. Perhaps I am wallowing in nostalgia but diversity has not improved the Scottish game, if anything it has destroyed it where talent is bought not sought and nurtured. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 25, 2024 21:34:52 GMT
I hear you. And no, Scotland, England, Wales, all have the same problem.
Too many imported players, not enough stars trained up by the academies.
The thing is when Celtic won the European cup all those years ago all the players were born and mainly lived within 30 miles of Celtic Park. When Scotland were the first team to beat England the world champions the players on the park for Scotland were either playing in England or Scotland. Perhaps I am wallowing in nostalgia but diversity has not improved the Scottish game, if anything it has destroyed it where talent is bought not sought and nurtured. Exactly, and if they went back to this, if they went back to academies and training hard and making locals into stars, they'd be amongst the best in the world. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 25, 2024 21:38:06 GMT
Celtic winning the European cup. I remember it …brilliant .
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 25, 2024 23:36:26 GMT
I expect our Scottish contingent will only rear their heads when England get KO. Haven't seen hide nor hair of them since the Euro's started. Can't think why. The thing is we are always disappointed but never really surprised. I am trying my hardest to support England and despite years of cheering on Polish goalkeepers, God's hand and Koeman I am almost there.However they will have to do far better than the general rubbish they have served up so far. The last twenty minutes tonight may promise something different but against Denmark I thought I was watching a Scotland game.Yep. I said to my neighbour both England & Scotland are the two worst teams at the Euros. England are awful. |
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Post by morayloon on Jun 26, 2024 1:51:27 GMT
I hear you. And no, Scotland, England, Wales, all have the same problem.
Too many imported players, not enough stars trained up by the academies.
The thing is when Celtic won the European cup all those years ago all the players were born and mainly lived within 30 miles of Celtic Park. When Scotland were the first team to beat England the world champions the players on the park for Scotland were either playing in England or Scotland. Perhaps I am wallowing in nostalgia but diversity has not improved the Scottish game, if anything it has destroyed it where talent is bought not sought and nurtured. It wasn't just Celtic, the Rangers team which lost out in the Cup Winners Cup Final in 1967, was, with the exception of Kai Johansen, full of Scots. Celtic almost gained a 2nd European Cup title, losing to Feyenoord in the Final of 1970 with an all Scottish line-up. The Aberdeen team of 1983 was wholly Scottish - for those who are unaware, the Dons beat Real Madrid to win the Cup Winners Cup that year. Rangers eventually won the CWC in 1972 with an all Scottish team. In 2008, Rangers were to appear in the UEFA Cup Final, this time with 5 foreign players, but no Englishman in sight. Dundee United were Runners Up in the 1987 UEFA Cup Final. The team knocked out Barcelona & Borussia Monchengladbach en route. All the players were Scottish. The Souness years, when Rangers had a lot of English Internationalists, might have been successful domestically, but the club wasn't successful with regard to European competitions. Scotland has punched above its weight, and the crucial factor, surely, was the number of Scots in the Scottish sides. So why have we, for years, been unable to produce home grown talent? And I mean skillful players like Denis Law, Jim Baxter, Willie Henderson, Jimmy Johnstone, Kenny Dalglish Most of the clubs run 'Academies', you'd think some talented players, able to compete on the European, or even world stage, would come to the fore. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 26, 2024 2:22:00 GMT
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