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Post by morayloon on Jun 26, 2024 2:38:43 GMT
The thing is we are always disappointed but never really surprised. I am trying my hardest to support England and despite years of cheering on Polish goalkeepers, God's hand and Koeman I am almost there.However they will have to do far better than the general rubbish they have served up so far. The last twenty minutes tonight may promise something different but against Denmark I thought I was watching a Scotland game.Yep. I said to my neighbour both England & Scotland are the two worst teams at the Euros. England are awful. Don't watch England, so can't comment. But, the big question is, who do I support now that Scotland are out? The answer to that is very easy ... ABE, of course. Performance wise Scotland were in a "class" of their own. A few countries left Germany with only 1 point, but Scotland's -5 GD surely does rank them worst. Even giving them the benefit of the "bad day at the office" excuse for their big style loss to Germany, their ineptitude in the other two games showed them up for what they are ... rubbish. Scotland showed a complete lack of urgency. This was especially so in the Hungarian match which Scotland had to win. The commentary team (the Scottish one anyway) were very positive early on as Scotland passed the ball well, but it was always sideways or backwards. Not one shot on goal in the first half, and precious few more in the second. They were, in all honesty, robbed when the penalty was disallowed, not even a VAR decision was asked for. And then, as Scotland did eventually push forward they were caught by a sucker punch. Quite why they played so negatively is, totally, down to the tactics of Steve Clarke. Over the years, since Ally McLeod had us all believing we would win the world cup in 1978, we have great hopes that our National team will win matches, but we have learned to be a bit more circumspect, and critical of our country's chances. Compare that with England who, according to their supporters, and the media, are going to win - this happens at every competition they qualify for. You all get a reality check when your team is, inevitably, knocked out. You never learn!!! |
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Post by Totheleft on Jun 26, 2024 2:56:58 GMT
I’ll be honest i have little interest in a load of blokes kicking a pigs bladder round a field. Real men do it with pointy balls However, i’ve heard little else ever since Sky encouraged creation of a ‘Premier’ league to make money from except whinges that other levels of team play are just screwed by no money appearing to trickle down Is Scotland REALLY any different than England and Wales in that respect  I hear you. And no, Scotland, England, Wales, all have the same problem.
Too many imported players, not enough stars trained up by the academies.
I think thats changing now vinny a lot of england football team have come though England's Academy team . Im sure you remember when England team was mainly made up of Manchester United and liverpoool . Now we have young cystal palace Newcastle And even Manchester United in there current forms and Belingham best player in la liga. No england full of Academy talent |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2024 6:51:36 GMT
Well, fellow Brit Morayloon, I supported Scotland vs Germany etc, but like England, Scotland were shit.
Even more shit in fact.
It's absurd for our country to have four teams, but until we're down to one and the racism is gone, we have four, so I support all four.
I would take the best from the UK and have a UK team instead fellow Brit.
And when we do, you and I will both support the same team my fellow countryman.
Abolish devolution. Abolish the division and the xenophobia.
We are one nation. We are British.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 26, 2024 7:02:38 GMT
"I would take the best from the UK and have a UK team instead fellow Brit."
As I've told you every time you raise this hoary old chestnut, you'd end up with the England team being the UK team. The Scots haven't produced a world-class player since Dalglish, the Welsh since John Charles (Bale the lone modern-day exception) and the Ulstermen since George Best.
Apart from that mixing in the whingers from the Celtic Fringe with their outsize chips on shoulders would create even more dissension in the dressing room than England's oversized contingent of black prima donnas.
Football is a team game where any 'atmosphere' is poison so what you're pining for is a non-starter.
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Post by piglet on Jun 26, 2024 9:59:40 GMT
When i was a lad parks were full of games, played by kids, sunday mornings were amazing, parkers piece was chocca. Cambridge had the biggest sunday league in the country, 15 divisions or so.
Now it has all gone. All of it.
Countries achieve success by having a lot of players to choose from, the higher the population the higher the chance youve got world class players. British kids now watch screens, succesful players come from poor countries and are black, they cant afford computers, phones, yet.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 26, 2024 10:12:27 GMT
The thing is when Celtic won the European cup all those years ago all the players were born and mainly lived within 30 miles of Celtic Park. When Scotland were the first team to beat England the world champions the players on the park for Scotland were either playing in England or Scotland. Perhaps I am wallowing in nostalgia but diversity has not improved the Scottish game, if anything it has destroyed it where talent is bought not sought and nurtured. It wasn't just Celtic, the Rangers team which lost out in the Cup Winners Cup Final in 1967, was, with the exception of Kai Johansen, full of Scots. Celtic almost gained a 2nd European Cup title, losing to Feyenoord in the Final of 1970 with an all Scottish line-up. The Aberdeen team of 1983 was wholly Scottish - for those who are unaware, the Dons beat Real Madrid to win the Cup Winners Cup that year. Rangers eventually won the CWC in 1972 with an all Scottish team. In 2008, Rangers were to appear in the UEFA Cup Final, this time with 5 foreign players, but no Englishman in sight. Dundee United were Runners Up in the 1987 UEFA Cup Final. The team knocked out Barcelona & Borussia Monchengladbach en route. All the players were Scottish. The Souness years, when Rangers had a lot of English Internationalists, might have been successful domestically, but the club wasn't successful with regard to European competitions. Scotland has punched above its weight, and the crucial factor, surely, was the number of Scots in the Scottish sides. So why have we, for years, been unable to produce home grown talent? And I mean skillful players like Denis Law, Jim Baxter, Willie Henderson, Jimmy Johnstone, Kenny Dalglish Most of the clubs run 'Academies', you'd think some talented players, able to compete on the European, or even world stage, would come to the fore. I think to a certain extent that is the point. Because clubs can they tend to seek to buy talent from wherever they can instead of using home grown talent that never gets the chance to improve through lack of first team experience. The lack of the old time stars referred to seems to be that the modern game eschews the individual and demands the team player. In many ways not a bad thing but most of the stars knew exactly what they had to do and that was to shine by dribbling, scoring, flashy runs down the wing or brilliant crossfield passes that opened up defences and dare I say it passion (come back Ally Macleod all is forgiven) |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2024 12:12:43 GMT
When i was a lad parks were full of games, played by kids, sunday mornings were amazing, parkers piece was chocca. Cambridge had the biggest sunday league in the country, 15 divisions or so. Now it has all gone. All of it. Countries achieve success by having a lot of players to choose from, the higher the population the higher the chance youve got world class players. British kids now watch screens, succesful players come from poor countries and are black, they cant afford computers, phones, yet. Exactly. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2024 12:14:31 GMT
"I would take the best from the UK and have a UK team instead fellow Brit." As I've told you every time you raise this hoary old chestnut, you'd end up with the England team being the UK team. The Scots haven't produced a world-class player since Dalglish, the Welsh since John Charles (Bale the lone modern-day exception) and the Ulstermen since George Best. Apart from that mixing in the whingers from the Celtic Fringe with their outsize chips on shoulders would create even more dissension in the dressing room than England's oversized contingent of black prima donnas. Football is a team game where any 'atmosphere' is poison so what you're pining for is a non-starter. Without black primadonnas we wouldn't have much of a team at all. We don't produce enough good footballers now. |
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Post by piglet on Jun 26, 2024 14:48:37 GMT
There was an amazing thing happen at Cambridge a few years ago, they unearthed a brilliant player, 13 or 14 something like that, something special, they had plans for him development wise, there was a problem though. When someone got around to ask him if he wanted to be a pro player he said no.
Being a pro player isnt as special as it used to be, id have given anything to be one.
When i lived in brum i knew someone who was involved in Brierly Hill town, young players turned up for training if they felt like it. A goalkeeper wasnt bothered to play, just wanted the money, happy to be sub.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 26, 2024 16:13:15 GMT
There was an amazing thing happen at Cambridge a few years ago, they unearthed a brilliant player, 13 or 14 something like that, something special, they had plans for him development wise, there was a problem though. When someone got around to ask him if he wanted to be a pro player he said no. Being a pro player isnt as special as it used to be, id have given anything to be one. When i lived in brum i knew someone who was involved in Brierly Hill town, young players turned up for training if they felt like it. A goalkeeper wasnt bothered to play, just wanted the money, happy to be sub. When Ian St John was at Liverpool they had to stop the Scotland v England training matches as the players would kick lumps out of each other. I suppose that is what is lacking the raw passion. |
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Post by happyjack on Jun 29, 2024 11:27:28 GMT
who do I support now that Scotland are out? The answer to that is very easy ... ABE, of course. Says the anti-English bigot who refuses to recognise that he is an anti-English bigot. |
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Post by morayloon on Jun 29, 2024 17:58:56 GMT
who do I support now that Scotland are out? The answer to that is very easy ... ABE, of course. Says the anti-English bigot who refuses to recognise that he is an anti-English bigot. ![]() You just can't make up the crap this Unionist, who maintains he is persuadable on Independence, says.  ![]() |
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Post by morayloon on Jun 29, 2024 18:03:59 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jun 29, 2024 18:12:40 GMT
Only an anti English bigot would post that.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 29, 2024 18:31:47 GMT
It has never been difficult to distinguish between a Scotsman with a football team that didn’t get into the knockout stages of the Euros and a ray of sunshine
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