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Post by Bentley on Jun 25, 2024 19:29:33 GMT
If children are going to vote because a minority of them may pay a miniscule amount of income tax, should: a) Children who do not pay income tax... b) Unemployed people who are not currently paying income tax... C) People who have never paid income tax in this country... Be barred from voting? If the reason for allowing children to vote is because they pay income tax, then surely people who don't pay income tax should be barred from voting. Someone will no doubt and quite disingenuously mention pensioners who don't pay income tax. But they have spent a life time paying income tax which gives them a damned sight bigger right to vote than children. People of working age, who are eligble for paying income tax, regardless of whether they actually ARE in employment, or whether they are paying income tax, should be able to vote, menaning people aged 16 and over. ALL people aged 16 and over who are either British citizens, or a citizen of a Commonwealth country resident in the UK, a citizen of a British overseas territory resident in the UK, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland resident in the UK should be able to vote. Whether a person is unemployed or employed, or whether they have, or have not ever paid income tax must be irelevant to a citizens right to vote. Nope.Adult British citizens should have the vote . Children should not . |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 25, 2024 21:48:43 GMT
If children are going to vote because a minority of them may pay a miniscule amount of income tax, should: a) Children who do not pay income tax... b) Unemployed people who are not currently paying income tax... C) People who have never paid income tax in this country... Be barred from voting? If the reason for allowing children to vote is because they pay income tax, then surely people who don't pay income tax should be barred from voting. Someone will no doubt and quite disingenuously mention pensioners who don't pay income tax. But they have spent a life time paying income tax which gives them a damned sight bigger right to vote than children. People of working age, who are eligble for paying income tax, regardless of whether they actually ARE in employment, or whether they are paying income tax, should be able to vote, menaning people aged 16 and over. What is special about Income Tax?. Anyone, irrespective of their age, pays income tax if they earn over £1000 a month. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 25, 2024 22:05:59 GMT
People of working age, who are eligble for paying income tax, regardless of whether they actually ARE in employment, or whether they are paying income tax, should be able to vote, menaning people aged 16 and over. What is special about Income Tax?. Anyone, irrespective of their age, pays income tax if they earn over £1000 a month. Isn't that the point? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 26, 2024 6:39:59 GMT
What is special about Income Tax?. Anyone, irrespective of their age, pays income tax if they earn over £1000 a month. Isn't that the point? So we give 12 and 14 year olds the vote? - using income tax as a basis for voting is an imbeciles idea. |
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Post by borchester on Jun 26, 2024 8:27:26 GMT
So we give 12 and 14 year olds the vote? - using income tax as a basis for voting is an imbeciles idea. Why not ?
Kids don't vote. They will run round the streets protesting about whatever bloody rubbish is in fashion, but polling stationwise, they will be somewhere else.
Not being as fit as we were, I have arranged for one of the grand nephews to take my wife, a couple of other cotton tops and myself to the polling station. He is a lovely lad and I have no doubt that he will turn up and help us to the ballot box, but I am pretty sure he won't cast a ballot himself.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 26, 2024 8:33:53 GMT
Lefties love mission creep . Campaigning for the vote for 16 year olds now will change to 14 year olds later …and so on and so on .
20 years ago lefties would have scoffed at anyone who claimed that lefties would insist biological men can be defined as women if they felt like it .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2024 8:49:22 GMT
Lefties love mission creep . Campaigning for the vote for 16 year olds now will change to 14 year olds later …and so on and so on . 20 years ago lefties would have scoffed at anyone who claimed that lefties would insist biological men can be defined as women if the felt like it . I'm sure if somebody else suggested a pay to vote scheme the lefties would be screaming about human rights.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 26, 2024 9:08:53 GMT
Conservatives ..” Only adults should be given the vote “
Lefties “ Children should be given the vote because …..fill in the blanks …..”
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 26, 2024 10:32:41 GMT
People of working age, who are eligble for paying income tax, regardless of whether they actually ARE in employment, or whether they are paying income tax, should be able to vote, menaning people aged 16 and over. What is special about Income Tax?. Anyone, irrespective of their age, pays income tax if they earn over £1000 a month. THE most important or most relevant issue when casting our votes, is where we believe our tax ought to be spent, or not spent. Income Tax is the most important tax, directly related to work and income. Eligibility to go into full time work, and therefore eligibillity to start paying Income Tax is school leaving age ... 16 |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 26, 2024 10:55:22 GMT
What is special about Income Tax?. Anyone, irrespective of their age, pays income tax if they earn over £1000 a month. THE most important or most relevant issue when casting our votes, is where we believe our tax ought to be spent, or not spent. Income Tax is the most important tax, directly related to work and income. Eligibility to go into full time work, and therefore eligibillity to start paying Income Tax is school leaving age ... 16 Children were working at 14 in the early 1900s should they have had the right to vote ? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 26, 2024 10:59:04 GMT
What is special about Income Tax?. Anyone, irrespective of their age, pays income tax if they earn over £1000 a month. THE most important or most relevant issue when casting our votes, is where we believe our tax ought to be spent, or not spent. Income Tax is the most important tax, directly related to work and income. Eligibility to go into full time work, and therefore eligibillity to start paying Income Tax is school leaving age ... 16No - everyone pays income tax if they earn over the threshold whatever their age. That is why it is an incredibly daft criteria to use. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 26, 2024 11:01:07 GMT
If children are going to vote because a minority of them may pay a miniscule amount of income tax, should: a) Children who do not pay income tax... b) Unemployed people who are not currently paying income tax... C) People who have never paid income tax in this country... Be barred from voting? If the reason for allowing children to vote is because they pay income tax, then surely people who don't pay income tax should be barred from voting. Someone will no doubt and quite disingenuously mention pensioners who don't pay income tax. But they have spent a life time paying income tax which gives them a damned sight bigger right to vote than children. People of working age, who are eligble for paying income tax, regardless of whether they actually ARE in employment, or whether they are paying income tax, should be able to vote, menaning people aged 16 and over. ALL people aged 16 and over who are either British citizens, or a citizen of a Commonwealth country resident in the UK, a citizen of a British overseas territory resident in the UK, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland resident in the UK should be able to vote. Whether a person is unemployed or employed, or whether they have, or have not ever paid income tax must be irelevant to a citizens right to vote. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 26, 2024 11:04:37 GMT
AFAIA, the state pension is included as income when assessing tax. I wouldn't know, I'm not an OAP, yet. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 26, 2024 11:13:06 GMT
Ok, so let us look carefully at what Keir Starme DID ACTUALLY SAY
"If you can work, if you can pay tax, if you can serve in your armed forces, then you ought to be able to vote"
He did not say that ONLY tax payers aged 16 and 17 should be able to vote, he suggested that if you are eligible to go into full time work, eligible to pay tax, eligible to fight for your country, then you ought to be eligible to vote.
Therefore its going to happen, and a further 1,5 million people will be eligible to vote at the next general election.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 26, 2024 11:23:24 GMT
Ok, so let us look carefully at what Keir Starme DID ACTUALLY SAY
"If you can work, if you can pay tax, if you can serve in your armed forces, then you ought to be able to vote"He did not say that ONLY tax payers aged 16 and 17 should be able to vote, he suggested that if you are eligible to go into full time work, eligible to pay tax, eligible to fight for your country, then you ought to be eligible to vote. Therefore its going to happen, and a further 1,5 million people will be eligible to vote at the next general election. 16 year olds are not deployed in combat roles - also they need their parents permission to join. |
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