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Post by Bentley on Jun 24, 2024 20:56:28 GMT
But Starmer has not said that been a tax payer should be a qualification in order to have a vote. He is pointing out that if you are old enough to pay Income Tax, then you should be old enough to decide how that tax is spent. In other words, 16 and 17 year olds SHOULD have the vote - and I agree Of course you do . You and kids barely out of puberty have the same mindset . |
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Post by see2 on Jun 25, 2024 5:38:41 GMT
PAYE is obviously what Starmer was referring to. Personally I disagree with 'a vote for 16 year old's' and I'm not keen on giving the vote to 17 year old's. Nothing obvious about it . He said tax payers . If he meant PAYE then he should have said so ..then admitted that non PAYE tax payers should be denied a vote. As usual Starmer throws out a half baked idea and his little fanbois tell us what he really meant .😁 He said tax payers while talking about 16 and 17 year old's working and paying tax. That was the context within which his remark was made. I remember a while back you had a problem with context, but I thought you had overcome it. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 25, 2024 6:17:17 GMT
But Starmer has not said that been a tax payer should be a qualification in order to have a vote. He is pointing out that if you are old enough to pay Income Tax, then you should be old enough to decide how that tax is spent. In other words, 16 and 17 year olds SHOULD have the vote - and I agree I wouldn't worry about any of that, having a long memory is key when dealing with politicians and after Labours last outing, you couldn't find an activist or even anyone who admitted voting for them, which seems a bit odd that they actually won then. In fairness I hear a lot of Conservative voters having plenty of regrets as it turns out the Conservatives were never actually Conservatives. But then Labour is having a bigger identity crisis than even the Conservatives, as shown by their activists and would be voters. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 25, 2024 11:46:08 GMT
I think there is a reason to this apparent madness . OAP's dont pay tax , well most of them don't ,the traditional conservative vote would be lost along with the need to promise the triple lock Benefit handout spongers don't pay tax - that's a few million fewer Labour voters completely out of the reckoning as why should they have any say in who runs public spending He hasn't thought this through (unless he secretly agrees with me) |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 25, 2024 11:49:22 GMT
Do you pay income tax on state pensions Not yet... |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 25, 2024 12:00:45 GMT
Do you pay income tax on state pensions Not yet... Semantics - OAP pension is taxable |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 25, 2024 12:03:53 GMT
But Starmer has not said that been a tax payer should be a qualification in order to have a vote. He is pointing out that if you are old enough to pay Income Tax, then you should be old enough to decide how that tax is spent. In other words, 16 and 17 year olds SHOULD have the vote - and I agree If children are going to vote because a minority of them may pay a miniscule amount of income tax, should: a) Children who do not pay income tax... b) Unemployed people who are not currently paying income tax... C) People who have never paid income tax in this country... Be barred from voting? If the reason for allowing children to vote is because they pay income tax, then surely people who don't pay income tax should be barred from voting. Someone will no doubt and quite disingenuously mention pensioners who don't pay income tax. But they have spent a life time paying income tax which gives them a damned sight bigger right to vote than children. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 25, 2024 12:15:09 GMT
We need to define a 'legal age' you can't buy a house unless you are at least 18, if you are sentenced in a court of law under 17 you are tried in juvenile courts, now if they lower the voting age to 16 then legally you should be able to buy property and treated as a adult in a court of law ....which is it to be?
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Post by Bentley on Jun 25, 2024 12:21:54 GMT
Nothing obvious about it . He said tax payers . If he meant PAYE then he should have said so ..then admitted that non PAYE tax payers should be denied a vote. As usual Starmer throws out a half baked idea and his little fanbois tell us what he really meant .😁 He said tax payers while talking about 16 and 17 year old's working and paying tax. That was the context within which his remark was made. I remember a while back you had a problem with context, but I thought you had overcome it. He said taxpayers . I remember you had a problem with context and projected it at me seenile . So don’t tell lies , there’s a good boy . |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 25, 2024 13:04:41 GMT
We need to define a 'legal age' you can't buy a house unless you are at least 18, if you are sentenced in a court of law under 17 you are tried in juvenile courts, now if they lower the voting age to 16 then legally you should be able to buy property and treated as a adult in a court of law ....which is it to be? ''Young'' offenders are generally given immunity from being named and press are not allowed to publish their details unless there is a specific judge approved ruling allowing public identification. That immunity would have to go too |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 25, 2024 13:08:02 GMT
Anyine who buys a bar of chocolate pays tax . That opens up a whole new group of voters . If he means income tax then anyone who doesn’t pay income tax will be unable to vote . PAYE is obviously what Starmer was referring to. Personally I disagree with 'a vote for 16 year old's' and I'm not keen on giving the vote to 17 year old's. ''Obviously'' is in your head If he meant PAYE he should have specified that he was excluding the self employed from his ''paying tax'' comments |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 25, 2024 13:23:07 GMT
We need to define a 'legal age' you can't buy a house unless you are at least 18, if you are sentenced in a court of law under 17 you are tried in juvenile courts, now if they lower the voting age to 16 then legally you should be able to buy property and treated as a adult in a court of law ....which is it to be? ''Young'' offenders are generally given immunity from being named and press are not allowed to publish their details unless there is a specific judge approved ruling allowing public identification. That immunity would have to go too Absolutely. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jun 25, 2024 13:48:54 GMT
Semantics - OAP pension is taxable Yes - indirectly. If you get a state pension the amount is deducted from your personal allowance. So if you have a private pension in addition, that will be subject to tax. Bastards. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 25, 2024 18:11:26 GMT
Do you pay income tax on state pensions Not yet... AFAIA, the state pension is included as income when assessing tax. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 25, 2024 19:26:50 GMT
But Starmer has not said that been a tax payer should be a qualification in order to have a vote. He is pointing out that if you are old enough to pay Income Tax, then you should be old enough to decide how that tax is spent. In other words, 16 and 17 year olds SHOULD have the vote - and I agree If children are going to vote because a minority of them may pay a miniscule amount of income tax, should: a) Children who do not pay income tax... b) Unemployed people who are not currently paying income tax... C) People who have never paid income tax in this country... Be barred from voting? If the reason for allowing children to vote is because they pay income tax, then surely people who don't pay income tax should be barred from voting. Someone will no doubt and quite disingenuously mention pensioners who don't pay income tax. But they have spent a life time paying income tax which gives them a damned sight bigger right to vote than children. People of working age, who are eligble for paying income tax, regardless of whether they actually ARE in employment, or whether they are paying income tax, should be able to vote, menaning people aged 16 and over. ALL people aged 16 and over who are either British citizens, or a citizen of a Commonwealth country resident in the UK, a citizen of a British overseas territory resident in the UK, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland resident in the UK should be able to vote. Whether a person is unemployed or employed, or whether they have, or have not ever paid income tax must be irelevant to a citizens right to vote. |
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