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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 5, 2024 8:54:46 GMT
Some lies you can paint in letters ten feet high on the side of a bus and some people will still not see them for what they are. I would like to remind you said bus pulled up 100 yards past the Morrisons I'd just left with my salad bowl lunch and the berk with the hair jumped out of it without his minders, giving me the opportunity to fairly politely point out to him directly that he was, while riding round with that lie on the side of his bus, REMAIN's greatest asset ..... His reply was that he KNEW it was a false statement but what was done is done and now they had to make the best of it. The slogan on the bus was invented by the leader of the Vote Leave campaign (Matthew Elliot IIRC) not Boris. The idea was that the Remoaners wou;d spend all their time arguing about this figure. I don't think it was a good idea because it was not strictly accurate because of the £4 billion rebate we get. It would have been more sensible to have said we give the EU £1 billion a month - which is accuirate and is still a vast amount of money. Nevertheless, the fact is that the NHS ARE now getting very much more than the £350 million a week that was promised. But it's not fair to blame Boris for this "inaccuracy". It was inaccurate by about £4 billion a year - but the biggest lie came from the remainers who claimed the average household would lose £4,200 which was inaccurate by about £80 billion a year. Yet no one ever complained about that! People still witter on about the big red bus and blame Boris for it when it was a) true and b) nothing to do with Boris. I think the number was actually the ‘research’ effort of a chap i encountered while i was doing the daily email to travellers for London Underground. Boris was heard to say several times he knew it was not the right figure but one now ‘had to make the best of the situation they found themselves in’ As i said earlier, my criticism of the Berk with the Hair was not that he came up with the false number himself, but that he allowed the lie to stay in place and actually used it, knowing it to be false. |
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Post by piglet on Jul 5, 2024 9:08:04 GMT
Sunak kept his seat, horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 9:12:27 GMT
Sunak kept his seat, horrible. Makes little difference, he has helped to destroy the Tories. Maybe Labour will give him a Lordship gong, because he's finished now. |
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Post by piglet on Jul 5, 2024 10:32:05 GMT
The last time the tories were in this position many leaders weere appointed all failed, that bloke from sarf yorks was the most notable. The Tories now will be a much smaller party, or as i suspect, they are finisheed. As Truss said in the interview she walked away from, there is much thinking to do.
The centre right vote is still there, looking for a home, Farage said as much, and it is the king maker. Labour are in charge for a while, not long.
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Post by patman post on Jul 5, 2024 14:43:22 GMT
Sunak kept his seat, horrible. While so many others didn't. Restricts the field a bit, so maybe IDS will have another go, or perhaps Boris could eventually be found a safe-ish seat... |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 6, 2024 8:39:33 GMT
Hopefully the identity of Sunak's successor is an irrelevancy, as I'd like to think the Party has made some giant steps down the road to oblivion, and that they will continue down that same road ....ideally even quickening the pace if possible. But the most objectionable amongst the names mentioned would be Tommy Tug, so if it's him my dislike of the modern Conservative Party would only increase ..... something that I barely thought could be possible.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 6, 2024 10:35:53 GMT
There is absolutely no doubt that whoever takes over from Sunak must be a proper Conservative who moves the party from the centre back to the centre right. Any other course of action will see the demise of the Conservative party and the rise of Reform UK. People want a proper centre right Conservative party and after five years of a Labour government voters will be queuing up to vote Tory.
I'm pleased to see that Hunt has ruled himself out of the leadership race, he is part of the problem. The Conservative party is no place for pro EU centrists.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 6, 2024 10:46:00 GMT
There is absolutely no doubt that whoever takes over from Sunak must be a proper Conservative who moves the party from the centre back to the centre right. Any other course of action will see the demise of the Conservative party and the rise of Reform UK. People want a proper centre right Conservative party and after five years of a Labour government voters will be queuing up to vote Tory. I'm pleased to see that Hunt has ruled himself out of the leadership race, he is part of the problem. The Conservative party is no place for pro EU centrists. Which, if any, of the twelve Conservative prime ministers since 1945 would you describe as a 'proper Conservative' who led a party on the centre-right? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 6, 2024 11:35:14 GMT
There is absolutely no doubt that whoever takes over from Sunak must be a proper Conservative who moves the party from the centre back to the centre right. Any other course of action will see the demise of the Conservative party and the rise of Reform UK. People want a proper centre right Conservative party and after five years of a Labour government voters will be queuing up to vote Tory. I'm pleased to see that Hunt has ruled himself out of the leadership race, he is part of the problem. The Conservative party is no place for pro EU centrists. Which, if any, of the twelve Conservative prime ministers since 1945 would you describe as a 'proper Conservative' who led a party on the centre-right? Conservative prime ministers/party leaders who, in my lifetime, were centre right Conservatives were off the top of my head, Thatcher, Duncan-Smith and Howard. |
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Post by bancroft on Jul 6, 2024 13:39:43 GMT
While in opposition you need a leader who can take the fight to the opposition and can also keep the team (Tories) on their toes.
Now this person may not be the same one that vies for leader in 5 years time.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 6, 2024 17:00:09 GMT
I am guessing the Tory grass roots are shitting themselves right now.
4 of the 7 top contenders are not even white...
Country is going down the pan.
/sarcasm
That'll see more Conservative supporter turning to Reform, and they will also claim than they, and Reform, are not racist at all.
Right...
All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Jul 6, 2024 17:11:36 GMT
I am guessing the Tory grass roots are shitting themselves right now. 4 of the 7 top contenders are not even white... Country is going down the pan. /sarcasm That'll see more Conservative supporter turning to Reform, and they will also claim than they, and Reform, are not racist at all. Right... All The Best Another leftie filling up his blunderbuss with accusations of ‘ racist’ and firing it at people he doesn’t agree with . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 6, 2024 17:34:32 GMT
Two names who do not feature in Dan's OP: Iain Duncan Smith, and Lord Frost. I think either of them would be a huge improvement on recent Tory leaders.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 6, 2024 21:49:02 GMT
I am guessing the Tory grass roots are shitting themselves right now. 4 of the 7 top contenders are not even white... Country is going down the pan. /sarcasm That'll see more Conservative supporter turning to Reform, and they will also claim than they, and Reform, are not racist at all. Right... All The Best Another leftie filling up his blunderbuss with accusations of ‘ racist’ and firing it at people he doesn’t agree with . Loads of people disagree with me that I have never called racist. Because agreeing or disagreeing with me is not what indicates that someone might be a racist. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 6, 2024 21:51:37 GMT
Another leftie filling up his blunderbuss with accusations of ‘ racist’ and firing it at people he doesn’t agree with . Loads of people disagree with me that I have never called racist. Because agreeing or disagreeing with me is not what indicates that someone might be a racist. All The Best Only sometimes then . |
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