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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 29, 2024 7:00:42 GMT
Don't worry, Jacob is losing his seat. If you do mean ethic, I would say he's been 1,000,000% better than Johnson, but has not been the virtuous PM he promised. If you mean ethnic, he was too ethnic for the Tories membership, despise being the choice of the parliamentary party. The membership wanted the Black girl...I think she is pretty ethnic..  The blue rinses voted for Liz Truss. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 29, 2024 7:11:06 GMT
The membership wanted the Black girl...I think she is pretty ethnic.. The blue rinses voted for Liz Truss. That was the only options on offer after the MP's had voted - the membership wanted Badenoch out of all the candidates. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 29, 2024 7:54:45 GMT
The blue rinses voted for Liz Truss. That was the only options on offer after the MP's had voted - the membership wanted Badenoch out of all the candidates. Was there a poll that showed that? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 29, 2024 11:03:58 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 29, 2024 11:51:24 GMT
Interesting. Thanks for that. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 29, 2024 12:00:20 GMT
It does make one wonder how well any of these pretenders would have fared in a membership poll if there had been a proper Conservative in contention.
An Enoch Powell, say.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 29, 2024 16:43:22 GMT
It's a bit dependent on who gets elected - there will be a few casualties on that list. My suggestion would be Jacob Rees-Mogg as a caretaker leader. He has the respect of Parliament and he seems to get on with everyone. AND he's a genuine Conservative. I'd also suggest that the experiment with an "ethic" leader has not worked. The people are not ready for this. He is a liar unfortunately. He would be obviously better than that prick Cleverly, but my intuition is pick an unknown. All those who are known are known to be part of screwing things up. That's what they do to companies that go bust. They replace the board. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 29, 2024 20:40:55 GMT
Why is Farage not on the list? Is he a contender for leadership of the Conservative Party? To nick andrewbrown’s comment right after your question, and pkay it back…. I think it not beyond the bounds of possibility he may be invited to become a contender, firstly because i suspect several on that bookies list are in danger of not returning to parliament, such is the degree of hatred for the greasy multi millionaire currently destroying the party, snd secondly because i think he IS the sort of tory the tory party need to recover from Sunak’s destruction of the party |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 30, 2024 6:41:49 GMT
It's a bit dependent on who gets elected - there will be a few casualties on that list. My suggestion would be Jacob Rees-Mogg as a caretaker leader. He has the respect of Parliament and he seems to get on with everyone. AND he's a genuine Conservative. Don't worry, Jacob is losing his seat. I'd also suggest that the experiment with an "ethic" leader has not worked. The people are not ready for this. If you do mean ethic, I would say he's been 1,000,000% better than Johnson, but has not been the virtuous PM he promised. If you mean ethnic, he was too ethnic for the Tories membership, despise being the choice of the parliamentary party. He might lose his seat, which would be a pity. I don't think Reform should have been standing in constituencies with genuine Conservative Tories. I meant "ethnic". But Sunak has been, IMO, the most dishonest PM we've ever had. He lies about things that are obviously factually wrong - like saying he has cut the number of boats by 36%. Total lies. The list of lies that he tells is very long. But I've challenged people to come up with Boris's lies and no one has ever come up with one - apart from lying about his private life - which is nobody's business apart from his anyway. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 30, 2024 7:47:30 GMT
Errm, Boris lied about Chris Pincher didn't he? Boris lied about the Irish Sea border didn't he?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 30, 2024 8:33:20 GMT
I'm not sure that it matters who succeeds Sunak at this stage. After all, a week is a long time in politics let alone 5 years.
I like Badenoch but none of the contenders really have the necessary gravitas.
Dan Dare raises a good point: I believe that a modern day Powell would wipe the floor with any of them.
Sadly, I'm not sure that person exists. In any party.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 2, 2024 6:35:03 GMT
Errm, Boris lied about Chris Pincher didn't he? Boris lied about the Irish Sea border didn't he? I'm not sure he actually lied about Pincher - he almost certainly didn't remember the details of a pretty inconsequential shirtlifter. It was interesting that "Lord" Macdonald - a useless civil servant who disliked Bpris - went on "Today" to say that Boris lied. Whatever happened to the myth that civil servants can't defend themselves. As for the Irish Sea border it was never expected to be a problem. If the EU hadn't decided to put vast numbers of border officials to police this border it would not have been a problem. But apparently about 20% of customs checks were being done on this border - which turned it into a real problem. The EU weaponised it. These are not "Lies". The real lies are coming from Sunak and Starmer. They're telling blatant lies about BIG issues. For example Sunak claims he has cut the boats by 36% - but they're gone up. And he said he's scarp all EU laws in his first 100 days - yet they're nearly all still there. And Starmer says he's not going back into the EU. What he's going to do is agree to dynamic alignment of rules - which is effectively BRINO. We'd be ties by EU regulations without any say in them. These are big lies. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 2, 2024 7:15:31 GMT
Baron, Farage a bullshitter, are you ok? You mean like he said he's pulling us out of the WEF? We're not even a member. He's not just a bullshitter, but a moron. Interesting concept Let's see He meets the requirements to operate an account at Coutts, although after the debacle, I'd sooner open one at the First Islamic Bank Of The Prophet in Teheran He holds a majority of the restricted shares in the limited company that is the Political Party he stands for election under the banner of He has arranged for anyone to register as a supporter of, and a donor of money to, said limited company, but has arranged a party structure where he, and he alone, controls who can stand for it. He then delegates the research needed into the background of such to a bunch of morons but hey, Boris gave Cummings a job, and no blow attached... Sorry but while I can think of a number of highly accurate fairly derogatory terms for a left leaning person to use to describe the man, 'moron' seems singularly unfit for that purpose |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 2, 2024 7:21:54 GMT
Don't worry, Jacob is losing his seat. If you do mean ethic, I would say he's been 1,000,000% better than Johnson, but has not been the virtuous PM he promised. If you mean ethnic, he was too ethnic for the Tories membership, despise being the choice of the parliamentary party. He might lose his seat, which would be a pity. I don't think Reform should have been standing in constituencies with genuine Conservative Tories. I meant "ethnic". But Sunak has been, IMO, the most dishonest PM we've ever had. He lies about things that are obviously factually wrong - like saying he has cut the number of boats by 36%. Total lies. The list of lies that he tells is very long. But I've challenged people to come up with Boris's lies and no one has ever come up with one - apart from lying about his private life - which is nobody's business apart from his anyway. Some lies you can paint in letters ten feet high on the side of a bus and some people will still not see them for what they are. I would like to remind you said bus pulled up 100 yards past the Morrisons I'd just left with my salad bowl lunch and the berk with the hair jumped out of it without his minders, giving me the opportunity to fairly politely point out to him directly that he was, while riding round with that lie on the side of his bus, REMAIN's greatest asset ..... His reply was that he KNEW it was a false statement but what was done is done and now they had to make the best of it. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 5, 2024 6:28:09 GMT
He might lose his seat, which would be a pity. I don't think Reform should have been standing in constituencies with genuine Conservative Tories. I meant "ethnic". But Sunak has been, IMO, the most dishonest PM we've ever had. He lies about things that are obviously factually wrong - like saying he has cut the number of boats by 36%. Total lies. The list of lies that he tells is very long. But I've challenged people to come up with Boris's lies and no one has ever come up with one - apart from lying about his private life - which is nobody's business apart from his anyway. Some lies you can paint in letters ten feet high on the side of a bus and some people will still not see them for what they are. I would like to remind you said bus pulled up 100 yards past the Morrisons I'd just left with my salad bowl lunch and the berk with the hair jumped out of it without his minders, giving me the opportunity to fairly politely point out to him directly that he was, while riding round with that lie on the side of his bus, REMAIN's greatest asset ..... His reply was that he KNEW it was a false statement but what was done is done and now they had to make the best of it. The slogan on the bus was invented by the leader of the Vote Leave campaign (Matthew Elliot IIRC) not Boris. The idea was that the Remoaners wou;d spend all their time arguing about this figure. I don't think it was a good idea because it was not strictly accurate because of the £4 billion rebate we get. It would have been more sensible to have said we give the EU £1 billion a month - which is accuirate and is still a vast amount of money. Nevertheless, the fact is that the NHS ARE now getting very much more than the £350 million a week that was promised. But it's not fair to blame Boris for this "inaccuracy". It was inaccurate by about £4 billion a year - but the biggest lie came from the remainers who claimed the average household would lose £4,200 which was inaccurate by about £80 billion a year. Yet no one ever complained about that! People still witter on about the big red bus and blame Boris for it when it was a) true and b) nothing to do with Boris. |
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