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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 6, 2024 21:54:08 GMT
Two names who do not feature in Dan's OP: Iain Duncan Smith, and Lord Frost. I think either of them would be a huge improvement on recent Tory leaders. IDS? Interesting, though I would have though him already falling foul to one Tory vote of no confidence might mar his chances. I always thought him a better PM than his treatment by the Tories would suggest. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2024 22:13:18 GMT
I am guessing the Tory grass roots are shitting themselves right now. 4 of the 7 top contenders are not even white... You are aware their favourite is the black girl? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 7, 2024 7:00:59 GMT
Kemi Badenoch would be an absolute disaster as leader. The Tories never seem to learn. For a start I don't think the public (or a significant proportion of them) are ready for a black PM. Secondly it's a good idea if the leader is someone who can get along with people. Badenoch could start an argument in an empty room - she's incredibly arrogant and condescending.
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 7, 2024 13:39:37 GMT
I am guessing the Tory grass roots are shitting themselves right now. 4 of the 7 top contenders are not even white... You are aware their favourite is the black girl? As a grass roots member she's my favourite , a proper conservative ( though I could also tolerate Frost or Suella) |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2024 17:57:47 GMT
Kemi Badenoch would be an absolute disaster as leader. The Tories never seem to learn. For a start I don't think the public (or a significant proportion of them) are ready for a black PM. Secondly it's a good idea if the leader is someone who can get along with people. Badenoch could start an argument in an empty room - she's incredibly arrogant and condescending. The talent pool is rather shallow and she is the best of what is available. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 8, 2024 7:44:47 GMT
Kemi Badenoch would be an absolute disaster as leader. The Tories never seem to learn. For a start I don't think the public (or a significant proportion of them) are ready for a black PM. Secondly it's a good idea if the leader is someone who can get along with people. Badenoch could start an argument in an empty room - she's incredibly arrogant and condescending. The talent pool is rather shallow and she is the best of what is available. Fuck, it must be so shallow as to be almost non-existent if that is the case. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2024 11:15:39 GMT
The talent pool is rather shallow and she is the best of what is available. Fuck, it must be so shallow as to be almost non-existent if that is the case. All The Best When the choice is between Badenoch and Tugendhat I'll take the Black chick... |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 8, 2024 15:23:16 GMT
Fuck, it must be so shallow as to be almost non-existent if that is the case. All The Best When the choice is between Badenoch and Tugendhat I'll take the Black chick... Fair point. I think had Penny Mordaunt not lost her seat the whole shooting match would be effectively over. Genuinely shocked that she was voted out. Although her shrill harridan performance at the televised debates did her reputation no good at all. All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 9, 2024 11:57:39 GMT
For their own and the country's sake the Tories need to think very carefully here.
As I understand it they lost around 4 million votes to the right of them and 13 million to the left of them.
Retreating into the comfort zone and appointing a culture war warrior who will to try to out-Reform Reform will maroon them in the political wilderness for a long time as they become the right wing equivalent of Corbyn's Labour, a party of protest rather than a party with serious aspirations for governance.
People laughed at Starmer when he first became Labour leader doing his online calls with the general public asking for their feedback on why they had rejected Labour. Well who's laughing now?
We need an effective opposition to keep the government honest, to achieve that the Tories need to put a grown up in charge, step out of their elitist bubble and start listening to what voters priorties are instead of telling them.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2024 12:16:00 GMT
For their own and the country's sake the Tories need to think very carefully here. As I understand it they lost around 4 million votes to the right of them and 13 million to the left of them. Retreating into the comfort zone and appointing a culture war warrior who will to try to out-Reform Reform will maroon them in the political wilderness for a long time as they become the right wing equivalent of Corbyn's Labour, a party of protest rather than a party with serious aspirations for governance. People laughed at Starmer when he first became Labour leader doing his online calls with the general public asking for their feedback on why they had rejected Labour. Well who's laughing now? We need an effective opposition to keep the government honest, to achieve that the Tories need to put a grown up in charge, step out of their elitist bubble and start listening to what voters priorties are instead of telling them. The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all. As the following weeks turn into months Labour policies will ensure this government become very unpopular very quickly. The majority of Labour voters did not vote for more immigration, but that's exactly what they're going to get. They did not vote for draconian net zero policies, but that's exactly what they're going to get. And anyone who thinks tax rises are not in the pipeline, is not paying attention. This government has every prospect of being the most unpopular government in living memory, and Starmer will not be a full term prime minister, indeed this government will prove to be an absolute gift for the Conservative party. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 9, 2024 12:28:39 GMT
For their own and the country's sake the Tories need to think very carefully here. As I understand it they lost around 4 million votes to the right of them and 13 million to the left of them. Retreating into the comfort zone and appointing a culture war warrior who will to try to out-Reform Reform will maroon them in the political wilderness for a long time as they become the right wing equivalent of Corbyn's Labour, a party of protest rather than a party with serious aspirations for governance. People laughed at Starmer when he first became Labour leader doing his online calls with the general public asking for their feedback on why they had rejected Labour. Well who's laughing now? We need an effective opposition to keep the government honest, to achieve that the Tories need to put a grown up in charge, step out of their elitist bubble and start listening to what voters priorties are instead of telling them. The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all. As the following weeks turn into months Labour policies will ensure this government become very unpopular very quickly. The majority of Labour voters did not vote for more immigration, but that's exactly what they're going to get. They did not vote for draconian net zero policies, but that's exactly what they're going to get. And anyone who thinks tax rises are not in the pipeline, is not paying attention. This government has every prospect of being the most unpopular government in living memory, and Starmer will not be a full term prime minister, indeed this government will prove to be an absolute gift for the Conservative party. "The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all." They've just suffered a historically disastrous defeat and you don't think any sort of reflection is in order? This sort of mentality probably goes a long way to explaining said historic defeat. Relying on the other side fucking up isnt a strategy, it's the absence of one. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2024 12:33:38 GMT
The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all. As the following weeks turn into months Labour policies will ensure this government become very unpopular very quickly. The majority of Labour voters did not vote for more immigration, but that's exactly what they're going to get. They did not vote for draconian net zero policies, but that's exactly what they're going to get. And anyone who thinks tax rises are not in the pipeline, is not paying attention. This government has every prospect of being the most unpopular government in living memory, and Starmer will not be a full term prime minister, indeed this government will prove to be an absolute gift for the Conservative party. "The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all." They've just suffered a historically disastrous defeat and you don't think any sort of reflection is in order? This sort of mentality probably goes a long way to explaining said historic defeat. Relying on the other side fucking up isnt a strategy, it's the absence of one. All the Tories have to do is quietly regroup and watch this government become more and more unpopular. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 9, 2024 12:37:42 GMT
"The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all." They've just suffered a historically disastrous defeat and you don't think any sort of reflection is in order? This sort of mentality probably goes a long way to explaining said historic defeat. Relying on the other side fucking up isnt a strategy, it's the absence of one. All the Tories have to do is quietly regroup and watch this government become more and more unpopular. And what if they don't? Didn't you once say Starmer's Labour were unelectable? I think you're still in the denial stage of grief. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 9, 2024 12:43:06 GMT
For their own and the country's sake the Tories need to think very carefully here. As I understand it they lost around 4 million votes to the right of them and 13 million to the left of them. Retreating into the comfort zone and appointing a culture war warrior who will to try to out-Reform Reform will maroon them in the political wilderness for a long time as they become the right wing equivalent of Corbyn's Labour, a party of protest rather than a party with serious aspirations for governance. People laughed at Starmer when he first became Labour leader doing his online calls with the general public asking for their feedback on why they had rejected Labour. Well who's laughing now? We need an effective opposition to keep the government honest, to achieve that the Tories need to put a grown up in charge, step out of their elitist bubble and start listening to what voters priorties are instead of telling them. The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all. As the following weeks turn into months Labour policies will ensure this government become very unpopular very quickly. The majority of Labour voters did not vote for more immigration, but that's exactly what they're going to get. They did not vote for draconian net zero policies, but that's exactly what they're going to get. And anyone who thinks tax rises are not in the pipeline, is not paying attention. This government has every prospect of being the most unpopular government in living memory, and Starmer will not be a full term prime minister, indeed this government will prove to be an absolute gift for the Conservative party. What happens when, if, they don't? All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 9, 2024 12:48:04 GMT
The Tories don't have 'think very carefully' at all. As the following weeks turn into months Labour policies will ensure this government become very unpopular very quickly. The majority of Labour voters did not vote for more immigration, but that's exactly what they're going to get. They did not vote for draconian net zero policies, but that's exactly what they're going to get. And anyone who thinks tax rises are not in the pipeline, is not paying attention. This government has every prospect of being the most unpopular government in living memory, and Starmer will not be a full term prime minister, indeed this government will prove to be an absolute gift for the Conservative party. What happens when, if, they don't? All The Best Precisely, just because the fire brigade do a bad job of putting out the fire doesn't mean people will elect the arsonist. |
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