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Post by Bentley on Jul 27, 2024 12:50:16 GMT
The opposition will take comfort in the fact that it wouldn’t take too many disappointed voters to turn the vote around at the next election . That's why we need an effective opposition capable of presenting an alternative to Labour when they fail. If the Tories don't learn the lessons on why they suffered their worst ever defeat they won't make a very effective opposition. Possibly but not necessarily. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 12:52:18 GMT
Well I disagree with the Private Sector exclusivity. I would suggest anyone wanting to be Health Minister should have worked in the NHS, anyone wanting to be Home Secretary should have worked in the Police or Courts system etc. In fact given MPs are spending, exclusively, Public Money they real should have some experience of the Public Sector. Of course, the Private Sector has a role to play, and I would suggest that 5 years in that sector is appropriate for the Business Secretary. There's this notion that the Private Sector, understanding it, and appeasing it, is the answer to all our problems. Nothing could be further from the truth. Look at all three major issues in the UK right now: all of them stem from the Private Sector. Cost Of Living: Private Sector Greed Housing Market: Private Sector Greed. Immigration: Private Sector Greed. I'll also remind you that the last Tory PM worked exclusively in the Private Sector prior to his foray into Politics, as did Liz Truss, as did Kwasi Kwarteng. Did so well out of that Private Sector experience, didn't we? All The Best , there's a magic money tree for every project and very little accountability to make it work , ensure that funding is available, constant empire building , a complete lack of appreciation hat the ''customer'' should receive good service at all times - not be treated as an inconvenience or the lack of risk of being fired for incompetence . The private sector is the sole funder of government spending - it should hold the whip hand The rest of your post is ignored as being standard MO of lefty ranting and ignorance of life without daily handholding by an overspending nanny state . And earning a six or 7 figure salary, and excessive Bankers Bonuses on top, for pissing other peoples money down the drain and crashing the economy TWICE in my lifetime isn't "detached from reality"? I received better quality of service, and a better value for money service from my Water Supplier, Electricity Supplier, and Phone Supplier when they are still state owned. I know of no one at all, not ONE SINGLE PERSON, who thinks service or VFM have improved under Privatisation. The ONLY people who think so are shareholders. Because they continue to get free money for doing fuck all. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 12:55:21 GMT
Well I disagree with the Private Sector exclusivity. I would suggest anyone wanting to be Health Minister should have worked in the NHS, anyone wanting to be Home Secretary should have worked in the Police or Courts system etc. In fact given MPs are spending, exclusively, Public Money they real should have some experience of the Public Sector. Of course, the Private Sector has a role to play, and I would suggest that 5 years in that sector is appropriate for the Business Secretary. There's this notion that the Private Sector, understanding it, and appeasing it, is the answer to all our problems. Nothing could be further from the truth. Look at all three major issues in the UK right now: all of them stem from the Private Sector. Cost Of Living: Private Sector Greed Housing Market: Private Sector Greed. Immigration: Private Sector Greed. I'll also remind you that the last Tory PM worked exclusively in the Private Sector prior to his foray into Politics, as did Liz Truss, as did Kwasi Kwarteng. Did so well out of that Private Sector experience, didn't we? All The Best No, working in the public sector ( civil servants/quangos/ politics etc ) is detached from reality , there's a magic money tree for every project and very little accountability to make it work , ensure that funding is available, constant empire building , a complete lack of appreciation hat the ''customer'' should receive good service at all times - not be treated as an inconvenience or the lack of risk of being fired for incompetence . The private sector is the sole funder of government spending - it should hold the whip hand The rest of your post is ignored as being standard MO of lefty ranting and ignorance of life without daily handholding by an overspending nanny state . Because you can NOT challenge my points. Because my points are 100% Correct. Please do tell me how Cost Of Living, Housing Market, and Immigration are as they are because of something other than the demands of "the market" ;a non-existent entity whose sole purpose is to disguise Private Sector Greed. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 12:56:35 GMT
The Tories need to survey their membership and find out what they want, what they really, really, want then find the policies and make them Spicey.
If they don't reinvent themselves from being a do nothing boring mush they will remain where they are. Almost irrelevant.
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 27, 2024 13:19:56 GMT
No, working in the public sector ( civil servants/quangos/ politics etc ) is detached from reality , there's a magic money tree for every project and very little accountability to make it work , ensure that funding is available, constant empire building , a complete lack of appreciation hat the ''customer'' should receive good service at all times - not be treated as an inconvenience or the lack of risk of being fired for incompetence . The private sector is the sole funder of government spending - it should hold the whip hand The rest of your post is ignored as being standard MO of lefty ranting and ignorance of life without daily handholding by an overspending nanny state . And earning a six or 7 figure salary, and excessive Bankers Bonuses on top, for pissing other peoples money down the drain and crashing the economy TWICE in my lifetime isn't "detached from reality"? I received better quality of service, and a better value for money service from my Water Supplier, Electricity Supplier, and Phone Supplier when they are still state owned. I know of no one at all, not ONE SINGLE PERSON, who thinks service or VFM have improved under Privatisation. The ONLY people who think so are shareholders. Because they continue to get free money for doing fuck all. All The Best Public sector salaries are at ridiculous levels (£150000 is circa the PM salary) The number of civil servants earning more than £150,000 soared by 6.4 per cent last year, despite the cost of living crisis.
Newly-released figures show that a total of 664 officials were paid higher than that amount in September 2022, up from 624 the previous year.
Top of the list was Mark Thurston, the chief executive of High Speed 2 Ltd, who received up to £645,000.
I know of no one at all, not ONE SINGLE PERSON, who thinks service or VFM have improved under Privatisation.You do now , privatisation has improved service, VFM , choice has all improved drastically under privatisation imo Nationalisation reduced service, VFM and choice . Several months wait for a phone line anyone? Filthy rail carriages anyone? I only personally know one person holding your view -and they are a raving lefty (Unless my pension provider holds utility shares in my pot I'm not a shareholder) www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/27/rise-civil-servants-earning-150000-cost-of-living-crisis/ |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 27, 2024 14:02:47 GMT
No, working in the public sector ( civil servants/quangos/ politics etc ) is detached from reality , there's a magic money tree for every project and very little accountability to make it work , ensure that funding is available, constant empire building , a complete lack of appreciation hat the ''customer'' should receive good service at all times - not be treated as an inconvenience or the lack of risk of being fired for incompetence . The private sector is the sole funder of government spending - it should hold the whip hand The rest of your post is ignored as being standard MO of lefty ranting and ignorance of life without daily handholding by an overspending nanny state . Because you can NOT challenge my points. Because my points are 100% Correct. Please do tell me how Cost Of Living, Housing Market, and Immigration are as they are because of something other than the demands of "the market" ;a non-existent entity whose sole purpose is to disguise Private Sector Greed. All The Best Your personal opinion (not facts - don't fall into the same mindset as C2) to which you are perfectly entitled to hold and which I am perfectly entitled to ignore as a standard MO of lefty ranting and ignorance of life without daily handholding by an overspending nanny state . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 14:22:39 GMT
Because you can NOT challenge my points. Because my points are 100% Correct. Please do tell me how Cost Of Living, Housing Market, and Immigration are as they are because of something other than the demands of "the market" ;a non-existent entity whose sole purpose is to disguise Private Sector Greed. All The Best Your personal opinion (not facts - don't fall into the same mindset as C2) to which you are perfectly entitled to hold and which I am perfectly entitled to ignore as a standard MO of lefty ranting and ignorance of life without daily handholding by an overspending nanny state .Well, if is only my opinion, and I concede that could be the case, it should be easy to refute any and all of those points with facts. Facts trump opinion. I am willing to have my views changed, they changed on several issues over at the other Forum. But I need facts to do that. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2024 17:19:20 GMT
Europe is the slowest growing economic bloc on the planet as well as the most regulated. Perhaps there might be a connection? But still has higher GDP/C than us. UK: $33,271 EU: $37,610 Most notably, Ireland has a GDP/C almost three times higher than the UK at $95,290. It is only because of the low GDP/C of Bulgaria $14k, Romania $17k, and other former Soviet Satellite States that the EU average is not way better than ours. In fact if were we to be in the EU right now our GDP/C would only just barely drag us out of the bottom half of EU States. You are right, there is a connection; just not the one you want. All The Best Even the Bank of Ireland says you should not use their GDP figures in international comparisons so I wouldn't believe everything you read in the papers. If you want to take out the poorer countries then our GDP is almost identical France over the decades (as one would expect). So identical levels of high regulation produce identical (poor) outcomes.. who would have thought..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2024 17:24:16 GMT
Was it? - by who?. Ed Milliband wants to stop us being dependent on volatile foreign energy supplies by being dependent on the vagaries of the weather. "We will invest in carbon capture and storage, hydrogen and marine energy, and ensure we have the long-term energy storage our country needs. A new Energy Independence Act will establish the framework for Labour's energy and climate policies." labour.org.uk/change/make-britain-a-clean-energy-superpower/#:~:text=Clean%20power%20by%202030,-Families%20and%20businesses&text=We%20will%20invest%20in%20carbon,Labour's%20energy%20and%20climate%20policies. Energy independence is not an exclusively right wing policy. CCS and marine energy are not commercially viable yet and large scale hydrogen is going to need an awful lot of investment - far more than the £8 Billion he has to play with. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2024 17:26:18 GMT
We were impacted by the war in Ukraine because we were not self sufficient in energy production. The view was that instead of using the gas beneath our feet it was 'greener' to import it from thousands of miles away and pay world market prices. We have more than enough fossil fuel of our own, that we import it is a political decision. But if we ant to leave a planet that is life-supporting to our children, and their children then we can't really use that fossil fuel. We are not energy self sufficient because our energy sector was sold off to private investors who have leeched unsustainable dividends out of the system, rather than investing in sustainable energy for the future. The same is true of our water sector. The real elephant in the room, that no politician has dared yet approach - but will have to sooner rather than later, is that obtain the Energy Security, and Food Security we need this country is significantly over-populated. We were Energy Self Sufficient in that late 70's thru to the mid 80's. Then the impacts of Thatcher's delusional mass sell off of the sector started to kick in. As did the Private Sector lobbying for ever more immigrant workers to avoid the cost of training their own workers. The rest is History. Almost every major ill that befalls this country currently can be traced back to Private Sector Greed and the lobbying they have employed to ensure that greed is protected. We do not need less Private Sector regulation and oversight - we need MORE. All The Best We could easily be self-sufficient, the oil, gas and coal has not gone anywhere. You need to get over this ridiculous obsession with Thatcher - she is dead. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 19:52:35 GMT
But if we ant to leave a planet that is life-supporting to our children, and their children then we can't really use that fossil fuel. We are not energy self sufficient because our energy sector was sold off to private investors who have leeched unsustainable dividends out of the system, rather than investing in sustainable energy for the future. The same is true of our water sector. The real elephant in the room, that no politician has dared yet approach - but will have to sooner rather than later, is that obtain the Energy Security, and Food Security we need this country is significantly over-populated. We were Energy Self Sufficient in that late 70's thru to the mid 80's. Then the impacts of Thatcher's delusional mass sell off of the sector started to kick in. As did the Private Sector lobbying for ever more immigrant workers to avoid the cost of training their own workers. The rest is History. Almost every major ill that befalls this country currently can be traced back to Private Sector Greed and the lobbying they have employed to ensure that greed is protected. We do not need less Private Sector regulation and oversight - we need MORE. All The Best We could easily be self-sufficient, the oil, gas and coal has not gone anywhere. You need to get over this ridiculous obsession with Thatcher - she is dead. We need to get over this ridiculous obsession with fossil fuels. Continued use of them should be kept to an absolute minimum. We are fucking this planet up, it gets worse year on year, and it is the ONLY home our species has. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 27, 2024 20:03:59 GMT
The net zero nuts want the UK to bear the costs of net zero without the benefits .
A net zero UK will not save the planet while the rest of the world use fossil fuels .
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2024 21:34:14 GMT
We could easily be self-sufficient, the oil, gas and coal has not gone anywhere. You need to get over this ridiculous obsession with Thatcher - she is dead. We need to get over this ridiculous obsession with fossil fuels. Continued use of them should be kept to an absolute minimum. We are fucking this planet up, it gets worse year on year, and it is the ONLY home our species has. All The Best The UK has reduced it CO2 output, at great expense, to levels last seen in the 1880's - to absolutely no impact on Climate Change. How is your plan working so far? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 28, 2024 0:11:18 GMT
We need to get over this ridiculous obsession with fossil fuels. Continued use of them should be kept to an absolute minimum. We are fucking this planet up, it gets worse year on year, and it is the ONLY home our species has. All The Best The UK has reduced it CO2 output, at great expense, to levels last seen in the 1880's - to absolutely no impact on Climate Change. How is your plan working so far? Do more. All The Best |
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